Official '11 Mustang GT vs 370z Thread

[m4a1mustang]

Originally Posted by perauto

I have never had any problems in our shop 2011 but we replaced the trans in our race car with a T-56. Under road race conditions the stock trans will over heat and fail. We did not want to add a cooler so we replaced the trans,Also a 2010 4.6 is a dog compared to a 11 5.0. On our Dyno our old shop car a 2010 GT with cams ,cold air ect only made 310 RWHP,for comparison our 11 Saleen/GT put down 371 RWHP stock.I love the Z's and G's but a stock 5.0 mustang will walk any stock Z in a strait line.

I am a big fan of the T-56! I know there is replacement kit available, so that's something to think about in the future if I decide to do some big build with this car.

But for my purposes right now it seems like the MT-82 is a fine transmission. I think with the Barton short shifter and mounting bracket it will make it even better. I'm not really a big fan of the semi-remote input style, but it hasn't given me any grief yet.

[perauto]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I am a big fan of the T-56! I know there is replacement kit available, so that's something to think about in the future if I decide to do some big build with this car.

But for my purposes right now it seems like the MT-82 is a fine transmission. I think with the Barton short shifter and mounting bracket it will make it even better. I'm not really a big fan of the semi-remote input style, but it hasn't given me any grief yet.

We had a custom T-56 built to our specs and just fabed up a cross member in our shop. There are build pictures on our facebook page . Performance Autosport
Mark

[ImportConvert]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

This is actually the source of a lot of controversy on the Mustang forums. It's largely a misrepresentation of the issue at hand. This article is based on one thread on a Mustang forum with around 3,000 posts in it from around 250 different users. At least 90% of these posts are attributable to select few. The article is very vague and just assumes that these 250 posters account for the "hundreds" of "broken" transmissions, which is not true.

So far we know of one user that actually had a defective transmission, which was replaced. Unfortunately he turned out to be the type of person who would make it his personal crusade to go after Ford because of it.

The rest of the complaints are about clunky shifts, mainly when cold. As anyone who has driven a manual transmission - especially a direct-input or semi-remote style - will tell you, on cold starts the 1-2 and sometimes 2-3 shifts can be a little rough. Anyone who has been on this forum since the early days will remember all the complaints from nubs we would have to respond to because they thought that clunky 1-2 shift was a grind and something was wrong with their transmission.

That's what's going on here. Inexperienced manual transmission drivers are reporting every little clunk they hear or feel and in many cases are misdiagnosing them as "grinds." A clunk is fine. After the transmission warms up it's buttery smooth.

I have 13,000 miles on mine so far and I have not had any issues. I definitely experience a cold shift clunk on the 1-2 over the winter or on chilly mornings, but never a grind or anything truly faulty. I am an experienced driver, though, so I know not to freak out and cry to Ford because the Getrag in my 412 HP car is making a little noise.

As a Z community, we went through these complaints in '09 (remember the infamous Modshack one-liner, "is this your first car?" ), and for the Mustang community they are dealing with the same thing in 2011. The 5.0 has brought on a lot of newer, inexperienced drivers to the Mustang ranks. And it so happens that these nub owners are some of the whiniest I have ever observed on an internet forum.

Why do you think I have 24k+ posts here?

Overall I'd say the Getrag MT-82 is a fine transmission. Would it have been my number one choice? No, I'd have loved to see a beefier T56 in there with a true direct input, but it does seem like the MT82s are holding up to repeated abuse... there are a few 600-700whp cars running the stock transmission without any issues yet.

I think all this is is the 2009 370 6MT saga all over again. You have a few transmissions replaced for bum synchros (it happens) and then a lot of complaints from inexperienced drivers for things that the experienced guys know are normal. The only difference is that the Mustang is getting a lot more exposure because the nubs are more vocal and there are just more Mustangs out there (the MT-82 is used in the V6 and V8 models, so you have to figure at least 25k manual transmission 2011 models have been sold).

Oh, and there are a lot of old-guard Mustang "buy 'murrcan" owners that are just bitching because the transmission is designed by a German company and built in their Communist Chinese factory. I guarantee you if this was a Tremec (Mexico) there'd be far fewer complaints, because most good 'Murrcans have learned to accept that some goods can indeed be built in Mexico and Canada... 'cause we're attached to 'em and can supervise 'em, ya know?

Ford still has tons of issues with their TR6060's in the GT500's. GM evolved the specs for their syncro's in 2 different revisions of the corvette TR6060 (finally going with carbon-lined synchro's). Ford blunders on. They have issues with fixing problems with that transmission IMO.

I thought the MT82 was G2G, though. Seems they might have a slight issue there, as well. It would make me nervous if I were buying a new GT/GT500.

[baldie]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

This is actually the source of a lot of controversy on the Mustang forums. It's largely a misrepresentation of the issue at hand. This article is based on one thread on a Mustang forum with around 3,000 posts in it from around 250 different users. At least 90% of these posts are attributable to select few. The article is very vague and just assumes that these 250 posters account for the "hundreds" of "broken" transmissions, which is not true.

So far we know of one user that actually had a defective transmission, which was replaced. Unfortunately he turned out to be the type of person who would make it his personal crusade to go after Ford because of it.

The rest of the complaints are about clunky shifts, mainly when cold. As anyone who has driven a manual transmission - especially a direct-input or semi-remote style - will tell you, on cold starts the 1-2 and sometimes 2-3 shifts can be a little rough. Anyone who has been on this forum since the early days will remember all the complaints from nubs we would have to respond to because they thought that clunky 1-2 shift was a grind and something was wrong with their transmission.

That's what's going on here. Inexperienced manual transmission drivers are reporting every little clunk they hear or feel and in many cases are misdiagnosing them as "grinds." A clunk is fine. After the transmission warms up it's buttery smooth.

I have 13,000 miles on mine so far and I have not had any issues. I definitely experience a cold shift clunk on the 1-2 over the winter or on chilly mornings, but never a grind or anything truly faulty. I am an experienced driver, though, so I know not to freak out and cry to Ford because the Getrag in my 412 HP car is making a little noise.

As a Z community, we went through these complaints in '09 (remember the infamous Modshack one-liner, "is this your first car?" ), and for the Mustang community they are dealing with the same thing in 2011. The 5.0 has brought on a lot of newer, inexperienced drivers to the Mustang ranks. And it so happens that these nub owners are some of the whiniest I have ever observed on an internet forum.

Why do you think I have 24k+ posts here?

Overall I'd say the Getrag MT-82 is a fine transmission. Would it have been my number one choice? No, I'd have loved to see a beefier T56 in there with a true direct input, but it does seem like the MT82s are holding up to repeated abuse... there are a few 600-700whp cars running the stock transmission without any issues yet.

I think all this is is the 2009 370 6MT saga all over again. You have a few transmissions replaced for bum synchros (it happens) and then a lot of complaints from inexperienced drivers for things that the experienced guys know are normal. The only difference is that the Mustang is getting a lot more exposure because the nubs are more vocal and there are just more Mustangs out there (the MT-82 is used in the V6 and V8 models, so you have to figure at least 25k manual transmission 2011 models have been sold).

Oh, and there are a lot of old-guard Mustang "buy 'murrcan" owners that are just bitching because the transmission is designed by a German company and built in their Communist Chinese factory. I guarantee you if this was a Tremec (Mexico) there'd be far fewer complaints, because most good 'Murrcans have learned to accept that some goods can indeed be built in Mexico and Canada... 'cause we're attached to 'em and can supervise 'em, ya know?

I followed that thread as well and thought it's just a few people overreacting. 10k miles on mine and no problems.

[m4a1mustang]

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Ford still has tons of issues with their TR6060's in the GT500's. GM evolved the specs for their syncro's in 2 different revisions of the corvette TR6060 (finally going with carbon-lined synchro's). Ford blunders on. They have issues with fixing problems with that transmission IMO.

I thought the MT82 was G2G, though. Seems they might have a slight issue there, as well. It would make me nervous if I were buying a new GT/GT500.

I have heard of some GT500 transmission issues. I'm not really sure what is going on there.

I'd say that there's absolutely nothing to worry about with the MT-82 in the GTs as I explained previously. I might be a little cautious about the GT500, because like you said, I have heard of some real issues... probably synchro problems like you mentioned. Of course even then the vast majority of GT500 owners have no problems, so who know's what's really going on.

But to be honest I haven't really stayed abreast of the GT500 because it doesn't really appeal to me. I'd much rather scoop up a Boss or build a Brembo GT the way I want. I'm not a fan of the 5.4L. It certainly is a beefy, reliable motor that has served a number of cars well, but the new 5.0 is just better.

[m4a1mustang]

Originally Posted by baldie

I followed that thread as well and thought it's just a few people overreacting. 10k miles on mine and no problems.

That's really what it is. Overreacting by a lot of drama queens and nubs. Kind of annoying. On one of the forums there was even a guy that complained about the transmission feel and referenced his silky smooth shifting (automatic) Lexus that he traded in on the car.

[Red__Zed]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That's really what it is. Overreacting by a lot of drama queens and nubs. Kind of annoying. On one of the forums there was even a guy that complained about the transmission feel and referenced his silky smooth shifting (automatic) Lexus that he traded in on the car.

Some people just don't get it.

[ImportConvert]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I have heard of some GT500 transmission issues. I'm not really sure what is going on there.

I'd say that there's absolutely nothing to worry about with the MT-82 in the GTs as I explained previously. I might be a little cautious about the GT500, because like you said, I have heard of some real issues... probably synchro problems like you mentioned. Of course even then the vast majority of GT500 owners have no problems, so who know's what's really going on.

But to be honest I haven't really stayed abreast of the GT500 because it doesn't really appeal to me. I'd much rather scoop up a Boss or build a Brembo GT the way I want. I'm not a fan of the 5.4L. It certainly is a beefy, reliable motor that has served a number of cars well, but the new 5.0 is just better.

Vast majority or not, if you go to ANY GT500 forum you will find a "Hey, new here, my trans. grinds on 1-2 shifts at high rpm" post in the first 2 pages if not on the first.

You won't find that anywhere else. If it were just whining, the Viper and 'Vette forum would have the same issue. They don't. 'Vette owners are probably the pickest, too, as a whole.

EDIT:

Just tried it. This was on page 2: http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/ind...nd-parts-list/

EDIT #2: Tried it again. Top of page 2 has this: http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...blem-poll.html

Nearly the only times you will find this on the 'vette forum are when people complain about it being notchy when cold (nature of a manual), or are talking about a pre' 2009 car before they revised the synchro's.

I have yet to see it on the Viper forum as I believe the Vipers always spec'ed CF lined synchros, although some of the early '08/'09's have had issues with faulty hydraulics which just needed replacing.

[m4a1mustang]

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Vast majority or not, if you go to ANY GT500 forum you will find a "Hey, new here, my trans. grinds on 1-2 shifts at high rpm" post in the first 2 pages if not on the first.

You won't find that anywhere else. If it were just whining, the Viper and 'Vette forum would have the same issue. They don't. 'Vette owners are probably the pickest, too, as a whole.

EDIT:

Just tried it. This was on page 2: TR-6060 Grind Parts List - Team Shelby

I don't doubt you that there are issues with the GT500. What I'd like to see is some sort of statistical data that shows us what percentage of vehicles actually have a problem... it's really impossible to tell just by looking at an internet forum.

Hell, you could search the Z boards and read about the transmission replacements on the '09 models for bum 5th & 6th gear synchros and think there was some major problem, when in reality it was only an isolated problem.

All I'm bitching about are the illegitimate claims of problems with the MT-82.

[Red__Zed]

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Vast majority or not, if you go to ANY GT500 forum you will find a "Hey, new here, my trans. grinds on 1-2 shifts at high rpm" post in the first 2 pages if not on the first.

You won't find that anywhere else. If it were just whining, the Viper and 'Vette forum would have the same issue. They don't. 'Vette owners are probably the pickest, too, as a whole.

EDIT:

Just tried it. This was on page 2: http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/ind...nd-parts-list/

EDIT #2: Tried it again. Top of page 2 has this: 2010 2011 gt500 1-2 shift problem Poll - SVTPerformance

The only times you will find this on the 'vette forum are when people complain about it being notchy when cold (nature of a manual), or are talking about a pre' 2009 car before they revised the synchro's.

They used to be on every first page of our forums, and from my time on the Vette forums, there were a lot of those posts when the Z06 first came out.

[Red__Zed]

Originally Posted by Davey

3260-ish with the touring package, a little less without.

300+ pounds is "not far off"? Come on man, that's huge. Next you'll be saying that a couple of tenths in the quarter mile is just a couple of tenths.

No doubt 300lbs is a big deal. Just pointing out that it's not like the Z is weighing in a 3k with a 50/50. I also believe the mustang has some easy weight that can be shed though, while even guys in race-prepped Z's still mostly weigh in over 3150 lbs.

[m4a1mustang]

Oh, I forgot the obligatory you won't find any complaints on the 'Vette forums because they all drive like the grandpas they are.

[m4a1mustang]

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

No doubt 300lbs is a big deal. Just pointing out that it's not like the Z is weighing in a 3k with a 50/50. I also believe the mustang has some easy weight that can be shed though, while even guys in race-prepped Z's still mostly weigh in over 3150 lbs.

I dropped 50lbs by swapping out my mufflers.

[ImportConvert]

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

They used to be on every first page of our forums, and from my time on the Vette forums, there were a lot of those posts when the Z06 first came out.

Like I said, pre '09. GM fixed the issue to where the 'vette's only grind comes from normal frequency of parts failure, which is to say, any car can have a problem, but it's not the norm.

[ImportConvert]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Oh, I forgot the obligatory you won't find any complaints on the 'Vette forums because they all drive like the grandpas they are.

We just take it easy around you because we have nothing to prove to a mustang owner