5 cars that could save detroit

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:05 PM

April edition of Popular Mechanics:

1. Caddy Converj

2. 2010 Ford Taurus

3. 2010 Buick Lacrosse

4. Chrysler 200c ev

5. 2010 Lincoln MKT

Discuss

nogoodname · 03-09-2009, 10:07 PM

I really dont like any of them

I hate to say this, but the Ford Taurus is stepping it up now....uurrrrhhhhh

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:13 PM

The caddy looks great, but obviously that will be $87340809234, so I'm not sure how a specialty car can save detroit.
The Chrysler is good lookin, but not my type of car. And the others? No thanks.

nogoodname · 03-09-2009, 10:16 PM

the caddy looks like crap..........the Taurus is the only good in terms of reliability when compared to the other ones posted

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:18 PM

You crazy, that caddy is slick. Maybe a little over the top on the front, but that **** usually tones itself down when it makes it to production anyway.

Arcangel · 03-09-2009, 10:21 PM

Caddy is the styling for the new CTS guys. It wont cost that much, the eflex version will be 60,000. PS you forgot the Camaro and volt you can remove the lincoln MKT. The Caddy will be huge because of the styling and then the eflex. The taurus brings back a performance sedan with real balls. The LaCrosse in person is even more stunning and keeps moving Buick toward a real renaissance, especially with the opels coming. Finally if that Chrylser survives it will bring affordable ev to the masses in a sweet package. The Camaro is obvious with the 14000 pre orders already it fill that performance hole for the everyman. Then Finally the volt it might not have the greatest styling but the Publicity, PR and mass production of the first Eflex platform to the masses is huge!

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcangel

Caddy is the styling for the new CTS guys. It wont cost that much, the eflex version will be 60,000. PS you forgot the Camaro and volt you can remove the lincoln MKT. The Caddy will be huge because of the styling and then the eflex. The taurus brings back a performance sedan with real balls. The LaCrosse in person is even more stunning and keeps moving Buick toward a real renaissance, especially with the opels coming. Finally if that Chrylser survives it will bring affordable ev to the masses in a sweet package. The Camaro is obvious with the 14000 pre orders already it fill that performance hole for the everyman. Then Finally the volt it might not have the greatest styling but the Publicity, PR and mass production of the first Eflex platform to the masses is huge!

Uhh, I didn't forget anything, not my list.
A $60K car (if you can even get it for sticker since it's a hybrid) is too expensive for most people, therefore cannot be the savior of detroit imho.
The g8 brought back the performance sedan with balls, and it has higher interior quality.

Arcangel · 03-09-2009, 10:30 PM

one I didnt say you frost, lol
2. its not a hybrid my friend EFLEX is an electric car and the small engine inside is to only keep the car charged. It can go 40 miles without using a drop of gas, afterwords the engine kicks in to recharge the battery. Its a plug in alla the volt.

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:32 PM

Everything other than gasoline = gets called a hybrid by frost. It could run on hamster power, and I'd still call it a hybrid.

But yes, it's an electric using EFLEX, like the volt.

Arcangel · 03-09-2009, 10:33 PM

ahhhhh I see frostman lol

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:35 PM

The caddy will probably drastically change looks when it hits production, just like the volt did. That thing doesn't even have legal side mirrors, lol.

epod86 · 03-09-2009, 10:36 PM

You're pulling my leg, they're all the same car!

Seriously, they all have the exact same style cues.

BMW Killa · 03-09-2009, 10:36 PM

the production volt look horrible compared to the original pictures

Crash · 03-09-2009, 10:39 PM

If the caddy makes it to production, GM's going to test the waters first. They'll produce about 2000 of them a year (like they did with the first year of the Solstice GXP) and find out what the demand is so that they can price it as high as they can. This is what they do with ALL GM cars. The formula is simple:

Total cost of production at n units = Cn
Demand under specific conditions = D
(Cn / D) = Cost to produce exactly what's demanded = Cp

Then surveys are taken to figure out what people are expecting to pay for the car and what they're willing to pay for the car. Those numbers average out for GM. If the numbers are at least twice the price of Cp, the car is put to a vote by the board to put it into production. Otherwise, nope.

Of course, this is a guess, but it's a VERY obvious formula. You can use it with any car and compare the numbers and **Tah Dah** the price of the car fits like glove.

When GM had ideas about doing a LSx-style V12 to build the "super vette", they didn't let anyone know how much they were planning to charge for it. But as usual number were rumored around the internet and came up with an absurd 100K+ price tag. Later on we find out about the blue devil. And today, the ZR-1 costs 120K.

As long as people keep saying that they EXPECT to pay around 60-80K for a small caddy, that's what they WILL end up paying for it.

Arcangel · 03-09-2009, 10:39 PM

yea the volt got screwed by the wind tunnel, the concept design did horrible in it so they had to soften it

03-09-2009, 10:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	5 cars that could save detroit April edition of Popular Mechanics: 1. Caddy Converj 2. 2010 Ford Taurus 3. 2010 Buick Lacrosse 4. Chrysler 200c ev 5. 2010 Lincoln MKT Discuss

03-09-2009, 10:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
Arcangel Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manalapan NJ Posts: 98 Drives: Blk 07 Cobalt SS/SC Rep Power: 188	Caddy is the styling for the new CTS guys. It wont cost that much, the eflex version will be 60,000. PS you forgot the Camaro and volt you can remove the lincoln MKT. The Caddy will be huge because of the styling and then the eflex. The taurus brings back a performance sedan with real balls. The LaCrosse in person is even more stunning and keeps moving Buick toward a real renaissance, especially with the opels coming. Finally if that Chrylser survives it will bring affordable ev to the masses in a sweet package. The Camaro is obvious with the 14000 pre orders already it fill that performance hole for the everyman. Then Finally the volt it might not have the greatest styling but the Publicity, PR and mass production of the first Eflex platform to the masses is huge! __________________ God has given us two hands -- one to receive with, and the other to give with. We are not cisterns made for hoarding; we are channels made for sharing.

03-09-2009, 10:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Arcangel Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manalapan NJ Posts: 98 Drives: Blk 07 Cobalt SS/SC Rep Power: 188	one I didnt say you frost, lol 2. its not a hybrid my friend EFLEX is an electric car and the small engine inside is to only keep the car charged. It can go 40 miles without using a drop of gas, afterwords the engine kicks in to recharge the battery. Its a plug in alla the volt. __________________ God has given us two hands -- one to receive with, and the other to give with. We are not cisterns made for hoarding; we are channels made for sharing.

03-09-2009, 10:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Arcangel Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manalapan NJ Posts: 98 Drives: Blk 07 Cobalt SS/SC Rep Power: 188	ahhhhh I see frostman lol __________________ God has given us two hands -- one to receive with, and the other to give with. We are not cisterns made for hoarding; we are channels made for sharing.

03-09-2009, 10:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
Crash A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,853 Drives: 02 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 589	If the caddy makes it to production, GM's going to test the waters first. They'll produce about 2000 of them a year (like they did with the first year of the Solstice GXP) and find out what the demand is so that they can price it as high as they can. This is what they do with ALL GM cars. The formula is simple: Total cost of production at n units = Cn Demand under specific conditions = D (Cn / D) = Cost to produce exactly what's demanded = Cp Then surveys are taken to figure out what people are expecting to pay for the car and what they're willing to pay for the car. Those numbers average out for GM. If the numbers are at least twice the price of Cp, the car is put to a vote by the board to put it into production. Otherwise, nope. Of course, this is a guess, but it's a VERY obvious formula. You can use it with any car and compare the numbers and Tah Dah the price of the car fits like glove. When GM had ideas about doing a LSx-style V12 to build the "super vette", they didn't let anyone know how much they were planning to charge for it. But as usual number were rumored around the internet and came up with an absurd 100K+ price tag. Later on we find out about the blue devil. And today, the ZR-1 costs 120K. As long as people keep saying that they EXPECT to pay around 60-80K for a small caddy, that's what they WILL end up paying for it. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Totaled 2003 Corvette Z06 50th Anniversary

03-09-2009, 10:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1764	I really dont like any of them I hate to say this, but the Ford Taurus is stepping it up now....uurrrrhhhhh

03-09-2009, 10:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	The caddy looks great, but obviously that will be $87340809234, so I'm not sure how a specialty car can save detroit. The Chrysler is good lookin, but not my type of car. And the others? No thanks.

03-09-2009, 10:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1764	the caddy looks like crap..........the Taurus is the only good in terms of reliability when compared to the other ones posted

03-09-2009, 10:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	You crazy, that caddy is slick. Maybe a little over the top on the front, but that **** usually tones itself down when it makes it to production anyway.

03-09-2009, 10:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	Everything other than gasoline = gets called a hybrid by frost. It could run on hamster power, and I'd still call it a hybrid. But yes, it's an electric using EFLEX, like the volt.

03-09-2009, 10:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	The caddy will probably drastically change looks when it hits production, just like the volt did. That thing doesn't even have legal side mirrors, lol.

03-09-2009, 10:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
epod86 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 229 Drives: 06 Mustang GT BK M5 Rep Power: 241	You're pulling my leg, they're all the same car! Seriously, they all have the exact same style cues.

03-09-2009, 10:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
BMW Killa Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: FL Posts: 287 Drives: neezmo Rep Power: 188	the production volt look horrible compared to the original pictures

03-09-2009, 10:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
Arcangel Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manalapan NJ Posts: 98 Drives: Blk 07 Cobalt SS/SC Rep Power: 188	yea the volt got screwed by the wind tunnel, the concept design did horrible in it so they had to soften it __________________ God has given us two hands -- one to receive with, and the other to give with. We are not cisterns made for hoarding; we are channels made for sharing.

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