5 cars that could save detroit

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by epod86

You're pulling my leg, they're all the same car!

Seriously, they all have the exact same style cues.

I'll have you know that the lincoln's grill is divided in the middle

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcangel

yea the volt got screwed by the wind tunnel, the concept design did horrible in it so they had to soften it

Absolutely correct! If they had not put their foot in their mouth advertising how far it would go FIRST, then maybe we could have gotten a better looking car and 5 miles less per charge.

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

As long as people keep saying that they EXPECT to pay around 60-80K for a small caddy, that's what they WILL end up paying for it.

Arcangel · 03-09-2009, 10:47 PM

well you have to figure volt will be 40000 so the caddy is gonna get a sh*t load of gadgets etc to justify the 60000 for the eflex.

dad · 03-09-2009, 10:56 PM

Chrysler will die! GM I'd say is 60/40! Ford with the Mustang and F-Series, trucks, plus their "cop car" will make it through and survive!

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:57 PM

I would have been willing to spend $40k on the original volt, but 40K is steep for an ugly car. ;]

frost · 03-09-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

Chrysler will die! GM I'd say is 60/40! Ford with the Mustang and F-Series, trucks, plus their "cop car" will make it through and survive!

I was just thinking "I wonder what happened to the on again off again chrysler/gm merger?"

Crash · 03-09-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

Chrysler will die! GM I'd say is 60/40! Ford with the Mustang and F-Series, trucks, plus their "cop car" will make it through and survive!

That's sounds right... Although, I'd say they're closer to the 40% chance of survival than the 60%

Arcangel · 03-09-2009, 11:01 PM

The only way I forsee this happening is through a forced merger after bankruptcy by the govt if not I dont think GM will do it! They want to get smaller and leaner not bigger.

dad · 03-09-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

I was just thinking "I wonder what happened to the on again off again chrysler/gm merger?"

I think that would be suicide for GM.

dad · 03-09-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

That's sounds right... Although, I'd say they're closer to the 40% chance of survival than the 60%

Crap, that's what I meant !

Crash · 03-09-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

I would have been willing to spend $40k on the original volt, but 40K is steep for an ugly car. ;]

I didn't think the volt was ugly. But 40K is still steep for that car. We're not talking terribly expensive battery packs here... 40 or 60 miles on Lithium Ions doesn't cost as much as everyone's been b!tching about. Thunder Sky sells them at about $17K for 33KwH. (And those are old prices too) So that'd be about 180-200 miles depending on how efficient the car is. So if you factor in the prices that GM is getting the batteries at, they're likely spending less than 3K per car for the batteries. 5K for the motor/controller, and 1K for the ICE engine. There's no transmission. They're probably spending 13K total for the entire car including labor.

40K is a lot to ask in this economy for a car that only cost them 13K. If they were smart, they'd put the car's MSRP at around 28K.

u155282 · 03-09-2009, 11:06 PM

Why do they all have to have so much chrome? It's a freaking eye sore... especially the window trim. I hate it.

frost · 03-09-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by u155282

Why do they all have to have so much chrome? It's a freaking eye sore... especially the window trim. I hate it.

Because America let "bling" become a popular word?

Arcangel · 03-09-2009, 11:10 PM

im sure the chrome will be toned down on the caddy, besides man what would you have done in the 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, lol CHROME everywhere

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Arcangel Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manalapan NJ Posts: 98 Drives: Blk 07 Cobalt SS/SC Rep Power: 188	well you have to figure volt will be 40000 so the caddy is gonna get a sh*t load of gadgets etc to justify the 60000 for the eflex. __________________ God has given us two hands -- one to receive with, and the other to give with. We are not cisterns made for hoarding; we are channels made for sharing.

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dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	Chrysler will die! GM I'd say is 60/40! Ford with the Mustang and F-Series, trucks, plus their "cop car" will make it through and survive! __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

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Arcangel Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manalapan NJ Posts: 98 Drives: Blk 07 Cobalt SS/SC Rep Power: 188	The only way I forsee this happening is through a forced merger after bankruptcy by the govt if not I dont think GM will do it! They want to get smaller and leaner not bigger. __________________ God has given us two hands -- one to receive with, and the other to give with. We are not cisterns made for hoarding; we are channels made for sharing.

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Arcangel Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manalapan NJ Posts: 98 Drives: Blk 07 Cobalt SS/SC Rep Power: 188	im sure the chrome will be toned down on the caddy, besides man what would you have done in the 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, lol CHROME everywhere __________________ God has given us two hands -- one to receive with, and the other to give with. We are not cisterns made for hoarding; we are channels made for sharing.

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frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	I would have been willing to spend $40k on the original volt, but 40K is steep for an ugly car. ;]

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