Test drove a 5.0 Today

Modshack · 09-13-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I tell you what though, i'll be a pissed off SOB if they come out with a direct injected 5.0 for the 12' GT that puts out 440hp and 410 ft/lbs, that would make me go insane.

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Originally Posted by Red370

methinks this may be the case. I'll also assume they'll have a plug and play DI kit for aftermarket purchase as well. Woot for that.

Careful what you wish for! VW, Audi, Porsche, BMW etc are having all kinds of issues with Valve deposits. With direct injection, you no longer have the cleansing effects of fuel passing through the intake track, keeping the valves clean etc. I think Toyota has an upstream aux. injector to deal with this on theirs.

Doubt there will be a retrofit as the fuel rail runs at 2000 psi+ with direct injection! In the hands of your average DIY semi-skilled guy this would be a disaster waiting to happen!

Mine's already putting out 440hp plus.....so I'm not holding my breath on this!

VW 2.0 FSI direct injected engine:

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 10:19 AM

I figured Modshack would be in here soon enough to show that picture. That's why I'm not really worried about DI at all. It doesn't phase me.

Plus, when you can just slap a supercharger on and put 525-625 to the wheels on a stock engine, does it really matter if DI is going to net you a little bit more power? Beyond 450 to the wheels on a street car you're just talking numbers for the sake of numbers.

Endgame · 09-13-2010, 10:27 AM

For those that think the Stang will outhandle the Z.... no. It will not. That is like those of us Z owners that rationalize the Z has a better fit and finish and is faster than the new Cayman S. It is not. Sure there are things we can do to make it fast as/faster, but pound for pound no.

The same exist with the Stang. It is not a GTR that defies the laws of physics. It is the 70's all over again. The Stang is the Muscle, the Z is the Sport. The Stang has the power, the Z has the handling (as m4a1mustang said above). The Stang is like Superman and will take you out with just a powerful thump, whereas the Z is like Batman, more ninja like with a degree of power.

Take your pick and no bashing other! We are all Superfriends!! The bad guys are the Camaros and Challengers. And the Vettes are like Darkseid to us both; they can kick both of us around.

Nissan should have gone with Brembos for the new Z. m4a1mustang, you still should have got the Boss!

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 10:59 AM

The Z outhandles the Mustang, but like I was saying, not by much. Stock for stock the Mustang will beat the Z on any track (save for maybe an autoX), it just won't put up the skidpad (.97 vs. .99) or slalom numbers the Z does. That's really it.

This is a very surprising car.

I said it before and I'll say it again. The 370Z reminded me a lot of a previous Mustang I owned. The Z to me is kind of like a Japanese Mustang... almost always the underdog and almost always exceeding expectations.

Both cars are excellent values and both cars take the fight to much, much higher end products. I'm lucky to have owned both.

Endgame · 09-13-2010, 12:49 PM

Well... as long as the Z does not have an oil cooler, the Stang will ALWAYS beat it on the track. I still think the Z handily outhandles the Stang from my experience. The slalom numbers have always been a pretty good indicator aside from real world experience. The Z truly does handle more like a Cayman S; the Stang is just not there to me. The 350z may have been the Japanese Mustang, but this 370z feels more like a Japenese Porsche to me.

What mods are you planning for the GT?

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 12:56 PM

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What mods are you planning for the GT?

Exhaust and intake/tune for the engine initially. FRPP has a handling pack out with upgraded shocks/struts, sways, springs, etc that looks pretty nice.

As soon as I get a second car it's getting a blower.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Well... as long as the Z does not have an oil cooler, the Stang will ALWAYS beat it on the track. I still think the Z handily outhandles the Stang from my experience. The slalom numbers have always been a pretty good indicator aside from real world experience. The Z truly does handle more like a Cayman S; the Stang is just not there to me. The 350z may have been the Japanese Mustang, but this 370z feels more like a Japenese Porsche to me.

What mods are you planning for the GT?

I wouldn't say handily outhandles. I think the biggest difference is in feel. The Z is a sports car and has a much more direct, responsive feel than the Mustang. Based on driving the two cars in anger, I feel like the Mustang has a sharper turn-in, better brakes, and overall a better balance. It's very neutral and easy to rotate in the corners unlike the Z which is very understeery from the factory with it's staggered tire setup.

In my opinion the cars achieve similar results but do it in different ways. I don't think the 370Z vs. 5.0 is a good comparison to begin with, but since I left the Z for one I inevitably end up making the comparison in conversation.

I still stand by the fact that these are two of the best cars money can buy at the moment. In a perfect world I will have the 5.0 and a 370Z Roadster.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 01:18 PM

Keep in mind that's stock for stock.

If I wanted to build a track car I think I'd start with a base 370 coupe and start from there.

Diesel370 · 09-13-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

For those that think the Stang will outhandle the Z.... no. It will not. That is like those of us Z owners that rationalize the Z has a better fit and finish and is faster than the new Cayman S. It is not. Sure there are things we can do to make it fast as/faster, but pound for pound no.

The same exist with the Stang. It is not a GTR that defies the laws of physics. It is the 70's all over again. The Stang is the Muscle, the Z is the Sport. The Stang has the power, the Z has the handling (as m4a1mustang said above). The Stang is like Superman and will take you out with just a powerful thump, whereas the Z is like Batman, more ninja like with a degree of power.

Take your pick and no bashing other! We are all Superfriends!! The bad guys are the Camaros and Challengers. And the Vettes are like Darkseid to us both; they can kick both of us around.

Nissan should have gone with Brembos for the new Z. m4a1mustang, you still should have got the Boss!

The Stang could certainly out handle the Z in the hands of a capable driver. Just watch this video to see how well the Stang can take the corners.
YouTube - The Falken Azenis RT-615K, How Much Faster Is It?

Also remember Car and Driver tested a bunch of cars at VIR and there was a 1 second difference between the 2010 Mustang GT and 2009 Nismo 370Z. Just imagine what the 2011 Mustang GT would do time wise on this same track. Just goes to show the GT is no slouch in the handling dept anymore.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p_2009-feature

Lug · 09-13-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dnasty370z

And yet this other guy does not get what i have been trying to say atleast you do lol

I understand being pissed off, just not being pissed off at Ford (which was your original point). You should be more pissed at yourself for lack of research than at Ford for improving a product "too much". Say you bought a 2011 that only boosted HP 50 hp but found out later the 2012 had another 50 hp they "self limited" off the 2011 so they wouldn't look "unfair". Now you got all the 2011 owners pissed off for them limiting the 2011 for no technological or cost reason. See? As far as being "fair" to Chevy...that's just beyond thoughtful discussion.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 01:22 PM

Buy what you want now, otherwise you'll spend your whole life waiting for something better.

FuszNissan · 09-13-2010, 01:39 PM

Should have waited for the 2055! I hear it has plaid speed.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Should have waited for the 2055! I hear it has plaid speed.

Shyne · 09-13-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Should have waited for the 2055! I hear it has plaid speed.

colonel sanders says we're going straight to ludicrous speed.

Endgame · 09-13-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel370

The Stang could certainly out handle the Z in the hands of a capable driver. Just watch this video to see how well the Stang can take the corners.
YouTube - The Falken Azenis RT-615K, How Much Faster Is It?

Also remember Car and Driver tested a bunch of cars at VIR and there was a 1 second difference between the 2010 Mustang GT and 2009 Nismo 370Z. Just imagine what the 2011 Mustang GT would do time wise on this same track. Just goes to show the GT is no slouch in the handling dept anymore.
The Lightning Lap, 2009 - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

The torque was responsible for that; and remember the base Z w/sport is faster than the Nismo. I love the GT and it has made advances in handling, but still not with the Z; maybe closer to the 350z, but not the 370.

GRANTED, I cannot remember what the stock Z is like that much any more as I have not be on stock suspension since May......

09-13-2010, 10:19 AM	#482 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I figured Modshack would be in here soon enough to show that picture. That's why I'm not really worried about DI at all. It doesn't phase me. Plus, when you can just slap a supercharger on and put 525-625 to the wheels on a stock engine, does it really matter if DI is going to net you a little bit more power? Beyond 450 to the wheels on a street car you're just talking numbers for the sake of numbers. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 10:59 AM	#484 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	The Z outhandles the Mustang, but like I was saying, not by much. Stock for stock the Mustang will beat the Z on any track (save for maybe an autoX), it just won't put up the skidpad (.97 vs. .99) or slalom numbers the Z does. That's really it. This is a very surprising car. I said it before and I'll say it again. The 370Z reminded me a lot of a previous Mustang I owned. The Z to me is kind of like a Japanese Mustang... almost always the underdog and almost always exceeding expectations. Both cars are excellent values and both cars take the fight to much, much higher end products. I'm lucky to have owned both. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 01:18 PM	#488 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Keep in mind that's stock for stock. If I wanted to build a track car I think I'd start with a base 370 coupe and start from there. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 01:22 PM	#491 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Buy what you want now, otherwise you'll spend your whole life waiting for something better. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 01:39 PM	#492 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	Should have waited for the 2055! I hear it has plaid speed. __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

09-13-2010, 10:27 AM	#483 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	For those that think the Stang will outhandle the Z.... no. It will not. That is like those of us Z owners that rationalize the Z has a better fit and finish and is faster than the new Cayman S. It is not. Sure there are things we can do to make it fast as/faster, but pound for pound no. The same exist with the Stang. It is not a GTR that defies the laws of physics. It is the 70's all over again. The Stang is the Muscle, the Z is the Sport. The Stang has the power, the Z has the handling (as m4a1mustang said above). The Stang is like Superman and will take you out with just a powerful thump, whereas the Z is like Batman, more ninja like with a degree of power. Take your pick and no bashing other! We are all Superfriends!! The bad guys are the Camaros and Challengers. And the Vettes are like Darkseid to us both; they can kick both of us around. Nissan should have gone with Brembos for the new Z. m4a1mustang, you still should have got the Boss!

09-13-2010, 12:49 PM	#485 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	Well... as long as the Z does not have an oil cooler, the Stang will ALWAYS beat it on the track. I still think the Z handily outhandles the Stang from my experience. The slalom numbers have always been a pretty good indicator aside from real world experience. The Z truly does handle more like a Cayman S; the Stang is just not there to me. The 350z may have been the Japanese Mustang, but this 370z feels more like a Japenese Porsche to me. What mods are you planning for the GT?

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