Test drove a 5.0 Today

Diesel370 · 09-14-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Not to take the other guy's side, but performance statistics for the average buyer crack me up. For my purposes, lap times mean jack. Because they were achieved on a professional racing circuit or closed test track by a trained racing/test driver moving at 10/10ths, just thrashing the car around the track. 0-60 times? They achieve that with as perfect a launch as they can get, and how often are you accelerating that hard? skidpad/slalom? Only tell half of the story. 1/4 mile? Top speed? Even Horsepower! All a tad overrated for the avg driver.

To someone looking to track or drag their car, this stuff matters. To John Q. Driver, on public roads, with normal speed limits... What does it all mean, other than "on paper, my winkie's bigger"?

Fast cars are fast cars, man.

If you track your car, then I apologize. Lap times should matter to you.

Regardless of whether he is a average buyer or a track junkie the fact of the matter is the BMW M3 and the 2011 Mustang GT handle just as well as a Cayman S and the 370z if not better around the curves. This guy comes on here acting like he's the subject matter expert on handling of cars after driving 2 cars and stating a definitive fact that one car cannot out handle the other, just cracks me up.

Diesel370 · 09-14-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

An you are an expert?

How much HP do the cars listed have in relation to the Cayman and Z? How much more power does the M3 have over the Cayman? How much more power does the Stang have over the Z? THAT is why their track times are better. Geez...

The fact that cars with so much less power can still post such close lap times speak to their handling prowess. I am not saying better track car; I am saying better handler, better drivers car. Again I am forced to LOL!

I am by far no expert, All I have to do is look at track times buddy. And LMFAO at your HP explanation for having better track times. If track times were dependent on HP alone then why does the 370z, Cayman always have better track times than a 500HP BMW M5? Shouldn't the M5 be beating them around the track?

While the 370z or Cayman may FEEL like the better handler to you that does not mean it can't be out handled around the track by a Mustang which basically what you were stating as a definitive fact.

Endgame · 09-14-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel370

Regardless of whether he is a average buyer or a track junkie the fact of the matter is the BMW M3 and the 2011 Mustang GT handle just as well as a Cayman S and the 370z if not better around the curves. This guy comes on here acting like he's the subject matter expert on handling of cars after driving 2 cars and stating a definitive fact that one car cannot out handle the other, just cracks me up.

No i didn't you said that. Track times are not accurate to jude the best drivers car. That is why the Mazda MX5 spanked a ton of higher end cars in the best driver's test MT did last year. I am only speaking from my experience and how I feel. Which is what everyone is doing also. Even the experts have differing thoughts on cars. In the end, it is all up to your personal liking.

The M3 and the GT do not handle better and are not the better driver's cars. I am sure there are more experts that will say that; however they may be better track cars (depending on the track). I will attest to that myself. That said, I will be tracking my car later, but even at that point, I do not care about lap times, I am in it for driving experience. For me the Z gives me the EXACT experience I want. It is a smaller, wide, and powerful car. The very same reason many BMW M3 guys want the 1 M Coupe. It is smaller and a better handler (in theory); more tossable. Is the Stang a better handler than an RX8? NO, but according to your theory, looking at lap times, it is far superior. And we KNOW it is not.

You are getting out of control and getting all worked up over someone else's thoughts and feelings. I have no idea what types of cars you have driven in the past, nor you I. I just know what I have experienced, and what I was looking for in my next car. I do not care if the Stang was faster than a Z06 at $40k, I would have gotten the Z still (or maybe the 1 m coupe).

m4a1mustang · 09-14-2010, 02:31 PM

Can't we all just get along

Endgame · 09-14-2010, 02:35 PM

Obviously some cannot..... Just make sure you still post over here to tell us your 5.0 experiences. CAN'T WAIT to hear them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am giddy over this new Stang.....

Trying to get my dad to sell his over 600 HP 2002 GT to pick one up, but he is not going for it.....

m4a1mustang · 09-14-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Aprarently some cannot..... Just make sure you still post over here to tell us your 5.0 experiences. CAN'T WAIT to hear them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am giddy over this new Stang.....

Trying to get my dad to sell his over 600 HP 2002 GT to pick one up, but he is not going for it.....

Oh I'm not going anywhere. I am not very active on the Stang forums. I just go there for tech info and questions.

I am still the president of the Mid-Atlantic 370Z Owner's Club, so I'm sticking around for a long time.

Sibze · 09-14-2010, 02:37 PM

Modshack · 09-14-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I am still the president of the Mid-Atlantic 370Z Owner's Club, so I'm sticking around for a long time.

and I'll be going to my local Z club meeting tonight.......As long as I have a lift in my garage, they consider me a valuable member of the club...LOL....

Endgame · 09-14-2010, 02:44 PM

GREAT! You were the other one Mod.... I was going to ask you if you would be around.

Looking forward to the post guys!!

AK370Z · 09-14-2010, 02:44 PM

As long as you guys are having a good discussion, I'll keep this thread open. So, keep the convo civil. As much as I love the Z, I must give proper credit where it's due. This Mustang came a long way!

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Oh I'm not going anywhere. I am not very active on the Stang forums. I just go there for tech info and questions.

I am still the president of the Mid-Atlantic 370Z Owner's Club, so I'm sticking around for a long time.

(PS: I believe your shirt was shipped out today)

m4a1mustang · 09-14-2010, 02:45 PM

Yessss! Can't wait to get muh Z shirts!

Endgame · 09-14-2010, 02:50 PM

M4A1... what mods did you say you were doing? did i miss that?

m4a1mustang · 09-14-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

and I'll be going to my local Z club meeting tonight.......As long as I have a lift in my garage, they consider me a valuable member of the club...LOL....

Awesome

I have done a few spacer installs for my guys and will continue to help out where I can.

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Originally Posted by Endgame

M4A1... what mods did you say you were doing? did i miss that?

So far I'm planning a drop, exhaust, and intake/tune initially. Down the road I will consider supercharging but 450+ bhp should be enough to keep me satisfied for a while.

FRPP has some suspension kits that are complete with springs, shocks, sways, etc that I may consider. This thing would be a beast with one of those kits.

Diesel370 · 09-14-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

No i didn't you said that. Track times are not accurate to jude the best drivers car. That is why the Mazda MX5 spanked a ton of higher end cars in the best driver's test MT did last year. I am only speaking from my experience and how I feel. Which is what everyone is doing also. Even the experts have differing thoughts on cars. In the end, it is all up to your personal liking.

LOL, the MX5 didn't spank anything except in the balanced handling category. That test was completely subjective.

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The M3 and the GT do not handle better and are not the better driver's cars. I am sure there are more experts that will say that; however they may be better track cars (depending on the track). I will attest to that myself. That said, I will be tracking my car later, but even at that point, I do not care about lap times, I am in it for driving experience. For me the Z gives me the EXACT experience I want. It is a smaller, wide, and powerful car. The very same reason many BMW M3 guys want the 1 M Coupe. It is smaller and a better handler (in theory); more tossable. Is the Stang a better handler than an RX8? NO, but according to your theory, looking at lap times, it is far superior. And we KNOW it is not..

The GT may not be a better drivers car but it handles just as well as all the cars you stated. Out of all the professional and personal opinions I have read on the 11 mustang GT it is capable of out handling many cars you would think otherwise. All I'm saying is the GT is no slouch.

Sibze · 09-14-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel370

All I'm saying is the GT is no slouch.

/end thread

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Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	M4A1... what mods did you say you were doing? did i miss that?