2011 Mustang 5.0 Turbo

phelan · 08-09-2010, 04:43 PM

Good lord, think about it from a COST standpoint already. I tried to point that out to you before, and you don't listen. You must be an engineer or something because you get your head wrapped up in all the technological details, and forget there is still a FINANCIAL aspect of designing and manufacturing any type of hardware.

Do you honestly think that a race-ready LSD will make its way to the masses? It is a VERY SMALL percentage of people in the world who will push the car to its limit, no matter a Z or a Ferrari. To those people, yes, the LSD will make them very happy, and they will pony up for the additional parts. I'm sure you're one of those people who would love to see this, considering you live your life a quarter-mile at a time.

To the rest of the masses who use a car to go from point A to point B, why do they care that they get a race-ready LSD? How does it affect their drive down a crowded freeway to get to work? The simple answer is IT DOES NOT. Would you buy a part that you will never get full value for? I doubt it, and I think the average and sensible driver would do away with it if it can save them some money. Especially with the economy gone (and continuing to go) to Hell.

Fact of the matter is, Nissan has already performed a cost-benefit trade study on the Z, and has determined the car is good enough as-is to support the biggest market it possibly can, from the low-end 'looking for a nice new car with enough fast out of the box' all the way to the top 'i'm going to make 1000hp with this thing'. Also, one of the last great things the Z has going for it is its overall value for the money, and even now the original designer thinks it's too expensive already. You start putting all this excess technology the typical driver does not need, you unnecessarily drive the cost point of the car up, and alienate buyers who might have bought for a couple thousand cheaper, all the while cheapening the legacy of the Nissan Z.

Again, car manufacturers are looking to please the majority of buyers. You want specialized? Go get yourself a damn Ferrari already.

And before you even start spewing that I'm afraid of the Z getting upgraded - I'm sure the next-generation Z will have some new tech or whatnot. I understand that. I look forward to new technology in future cars. But the 370Z was JUST released in 2009. It is far too early to be shelving the design already, so I don't expect to see anything happening for another few years at the minimum. And even then I will not love my Z any less - it already brings a smile to my face everyday, I can't fathom why a few nuts and bolts would change that in the future.

mrcardio · 08-09-2010, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

You do know that Nissan also offers the car without the LSD right?
Nissan is well aware of making changes for this car. The 350z had very good brakes, but guess what? People were unhappy with the amount of noise and dust created so with the 370z they backed off on the pads and made them more "street" friendly. Same thing with a lot of other items that people wish they would upgrade from factory but Nissan over the years have come to want to please the majority not the minority. Nothing wrong with this, gives the chance for those of us who want to put better parts on our car not overpay from factory for items we do not need or want, or feel we can get better elsewhere.

You're sort of going off on the tangent now...

The point is this - The 370z is supposedly a "sports car" right? A sports car should be as sports car does. The current viscous LSD, oil cooling unit, and to a lesser extent brake pads (not really a big deal) aren't up to sports car specs by any stretch of the imagination. Yes of course you can void your warranty and go after market but that in many ways defeats the purpose of purchasing a new car. I really want to like the car and in many ways I do but I'm hoping Nissan ups the ante and improves the weak areas even if it does cost me a bit more.

Otherwise, I'll just have to look into something else. If I wanted an automobile with boulevard cruiser spec components I'd be looking at a G37 or something. But I'm pretty confident Nissan will come through. Skid pad, braking, slalom, figure eight figures etc are one thing but being able to sustain that performance is what is much more important.

theDreamer · 08-09-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrcardio

You're sort of going off on the tangent now...

The point is this - The 370z is supposedly a "sports car" right? A sports car should be as sports car does. The current viscous LSD, oil cooling unit, and to a lesser extent brake pads (not really a big deal) aren't up to sports car specs by any stretch of the imagination. Yes of course you can void your warranty and go after market but that in many ways defeats the purpose of purchasing a new car. I really want to like the car and in many ways I do but I'm hoping Nissan ups the ante and improves the weak areas even if it does cost me a bit more. Otherwise, I'll just have to look into something else.

How does the current LSD, oil cooling, brakes make it any less of a sports car, please let me know?

Chriz · 08-09-2010, 05:03 PM

m4a1mustang · 08-09-2010, 05:11 PM

Basically the LSD viscously slips the differential in a limited fashion, so it's pretty fast. Probably adds about 20hp or so at the flywheel since it gets rid of the parasitic drag of the wheels for the most part. Couple it with some Miata doors and you'll be flying, literally.

Pharmacist · 08-09-2010, 05:51 PM

this thread has gone way off topic. can we go back to bashing mustangs?

m4a1mustang · 08-09-2010, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pharmacist

this thread has gone way off topic. can we go back to bashing mustangs?

Only if you give us some LSD.

Trips · 08-09-2010, 07:40 PM

Check Please!!

370Zapper · 08-10-2010, 08:13 AM

A new day! Get your coffee and start arguing mrcardio!

FuszNissan · 08-10-2010, 08:16 AM

Did someone say coffee

LiquidZ · 08-10-2010, 08:23 AM

I got some coffee actually.

Sibze · 08-10-2010, 08:45 AM

This thread still open? Damn this has got to be a record for a Mustang thread

LiquidZ · 08-10-2010, 08:44 PM

Even though this thread went to ****, hahaha, I just got an update on this car.

Looks like it made a pass at 10 PSI - 613 RWHP and 598 RWTQ. Not bad for an auto, although I'm sure it's life is limited. No video yet, or more details.

mrcardio · 08-10-2010, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

How does the current LSD, oil cooling, brakes make it any less of a sports car, please let me know?

A true sports car can run more than a couple hard laps without oil temps sky rocketing, its LSD not working the way it should and brakes that perform up to par longer than a few minutes of track work.

Like I said, hopefully Nissan fixes these issues and comes up with a new engine while they're at it. The rest of the car is pretty decent IMO, just needs decent LSD w/ remoter cooler, oil cooler, appropriate pads, and less trashy, more torque, better sounding motor.

I would definitely expect it to cost a good 2-4k more to start but if that means a proper sports car with proper equipment I’m game. Perhaps Nissan could still offer then Z with the sub par LSD, trashy VQ, etc for a lower price and make everyone happy.

specZ · 08-10-2010, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple's

Check Please!!

08-09-2010, 04:43 PM	#226 (permalink)
phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	Good lord, think about it from a COST standpoint already. I tried to point that out to you before, and you don't listen. You must be an engineer or something because you get your head wrapped up in all the technological details, and forget there is still a FINANCIAL aspect of designing and manufacturing any type of hardware. Do you honestly think that a race-ready LSD will make its way to the masses? It is a VERY SMALL percentage of people in the world who will push the car to its limit, no matter a Z or a Ferrari. To those people, yes, the LSD will make them very happy, and they will pony up for the additional parts. I'm sure you're one of those people who would love to see this, considering you live your life a quarter-mile at a time. To the rest of the masses who use a car to go from point A to point B, why do they care that they get a race-ready LSD? How does it affect their drive down a crowded freeway to get to work? The simple answer is IT DOES NOT. Would you buy a part that you will never get full value for? I doubt it, and I think the average and sensible driver would do away with it if it can save them some money. Especially with the economy gone (and continuing to go) to Hell. Fact of the matter is, Nissan has already performed a cost-benefit trade study on the Z, and has determined the car is good enough as-is to support the biggest market it possibly can, from the low-end 'looking for a nice new car with enough fast out of the box' all the way to the top 'i'm going to make 1000hp with this thing'. Also, one of the last great things the Z has going for it is its overall value for the money, and even now the original designer thinks it's too expensive already. You start putting all this excess technology the typical driver does not need, you unnecessarily drive the cost point of the car up, and alienate buyers who might have bought for a couple thousand cheaper, all the while cheapening the legacy of the Nissan Z. Again, car manufacturers are looking to please the majority of buyers. You want specialized? Go get yourself a damn Ferrari already. And before you even start spewing that I'm afraid of the Z getting upgraded - I'm sure the next-generation Z will have some new tech or whatnot. I understand that. I look forward to new technology in future cars. But the 370Z was JUST released in 2009. It is far too early to be shelving the design already, so I don't expect to see anything happening for another few years at the minimum. And even then I will not love my Z any less - it already brings a smile to my face everyday, I can't fathom why a few nuts and bolts would change that in the future. __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

08-09-2010, 05:03 PM	#229 (permalink)
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08-09-2010, 05:11 PM	#230 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Basically the LSD viscously slips the differential in a limited fashion, so it's pretty fast. Probably adds about 20hp or so at the flywheel since it gets rid of the parasitic drag of the wheels for the most part. Couple it with some Miata doors and you'll be flying, literally. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-09-2010, 05:51 PM	#231 (permalink)
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08-09-2010, 07:40 PM	#233 (permalink)
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08-10-2010, 08:13 AM	#234 (permalink)
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08-10-2010, 08:16 AM	#235 (permalink)
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08-10-2010, 08:23 AM	#236 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	I got some coffee actually. __________________

08-10-2010, 08:45 AM	#237 (permalink)
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08-10-2010, 08:44 PM	#238 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	Even though this thread went to ****, hahaha, I just got an update on this car. Looks like it made a pass at 10 PSI - 613 RWHP and 598 RWTQ. Not bad for an auto, although I'm sure it's life is limited. No video yet, or more details. __________________

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