Indy 500 Pace car ...
 

2009 Indianapolis 500 Pace Car - 2010 Chevrolet Camaro :: Official site of the Indianapolis 500
Well what do you guys think ??
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I think I am sick of that car already. GM really screwed up by hyping that thing up for the past few years and still not releasing it. Remember when it was going to be the all new 2008 Camaro? lol

Bfd!

Now dont get me wrong guys .. I am by no means a big fan of the new Camaro.. But I know what the people on a LS1 site would say.. I just wondered what the rest of the world thinks ....

You'd be surprised. Its arrival has mixed feelings. Trans Am/Firebird fans tend to hate it, mainly because there IS no Pontiac version. Camaro guys, its a mixed bag. Some said they'd just get a Challenger, others said they loved it, others said they were indifferent.

Personally, owning a 1969 Camaro and a 2000 Camaro, I think it has all the right looks...but its too god damn big. Its got the right power plant, too. IRS be damned, I dont really care (the purists want a live axle). The lines are great for a muscle car look, and I think they did a much more faithful job of that than the new Mustang did. The Challenger practically mirrors its older version (pity its 4100 lbs).

The down side, is its SO ******* HEAVY. The 1SS (lowest package that has the 6.2L LS3) weighs over 3900 lbs! I was planning on getting one as long as it weighed somewhat close to my 2000 (which is about 3400 lbs). Oh, how disappointed I was when it came out so heavy :(. Such a pity, it looks cool, but its going to be just as much of a dog as the GTO is.

The color combo isn't to my taste, but I was not surprised at all when I heart the camaro was chosen for the task.

lol let's get a car and put a bunch of decals on it and call it SPECIAL!!!!!!!

I'm wondering what happened to the orange version:

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Dont get me started about a GTO.. I do agree a lot of people are going to be dissapointed with this car , and it is comeing out at the worst time.. The 370Z is the first car that I have seen and really liked in a long , long time , I do like the G35.. I dont think the car is going to live up to the hype and wont be in production to long ...

This is the sad truth: I absolutely LOVE Chevy. Ive grown up a Chevy/GM family (a grandfather giving me the GM employee discount kinda helps). As far as powerplants, its tough to beat the LSX small block Chevys in...well, anything. Pushrod or not, its hard to argue with a 500+ HP V8 thats still getting mid to high 20's on the thruway, and high teens in the city. Its all in the head design. Yeah, their interiors blow. Yeah, they start squeaking and vibrating in random places in no time (my brand new 08 Silverado w/ 9K miles after less than a year, has its driver-side window squeeling like MAD when it goes up/down in cold weather, among other things lol). But man, the power plant alone in them sometimes makes it worth it lol.

However, as of late, my new passion is wanting to get into road coursing. For over a year, Ive vowed that my next car would be something I can drive the **** out of at an HPDE/Auto-X, and not be something that I take out just for fun - it'd have to be competitive in its class.

The 370 is one of the few cars that Ive looked at that is NON-Chevy, and a non-exotic, that I just feel like I have to have not only on looks, but performance merits too. Lightweight (its no Miata, but its trim compared to others), nimble, and quick - it fits the bill in everything I want. Its a VERY attractive car for those of us with enough cash who wants to get into the track scene...

You know all of the Big 3 have went to this rounder fatter look...The Challenger, Camaro, and now the Mustang .. They all look from the side like a brick sitting on top of a block ...The Camaros grill is terrible .. Noth that I dont like the look , but it is so wide and flat ... rest of the car is OK, and that steering wheel,, :confused: .. Biggest problem is the blind spot on the passenger side .. It looks worse than that on the Challenger , and that is saying something .. I hope it does well ....

That was the intent - to look somewhat like the grill on the 69 Camaro. Which is, of course, extremely flat and wide lol.

I just think it did a better job of taking some classic styling hints frmo the 69 Camaro, than the new Mustang did at ALL from the classic Mustangs.

Steering wheel looks dumb.

I dont think the 370Z's blindspots will be any better ;)

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but the point I am makeing is look at the 69 .. it had the grill, healight inserts, bumper, valance panel and a lower lip spoiler .. the new Camaro just has this one big ugly molded piece of plastic...

Over on camaro5.com, the main camaro developer is an avid poster, and assured the people that he wanted headlight inserts, but couldn't get them to meet current safety regulations.

Also (and I hate being repetitive since I have posted a similar comment in other threads) but I've owned a 4th gen camaro SS, trans am ws6, two c5 vettes, a c6 vette, the $50K ssr (vette truck) and some others, and none of them had the same quality as my 350z. So that's why I've been leaning away from going back to GM. You're paying for the engine, and basically nothing else.

As a GTO owner ...you are preaching to the choir...:werd:

Oh yeah, add 06 gto to my list. :D

GM better hope the Camaro dont have as many problems as the GTO.. But I dont think it will since it is being made in Canada

The previous camaros/firebirds were made in canada, and it didn't help them.

didnt take you 2 weeks to get parts ...

the first or second week i owned my gto, the windshield was split by a rock. 2.5 weeks to get another, lol.

gotta agree. the car is played out and its not even out. they should have released it the fall following the transformer movie

The one in transformers wasn't even a real Camaro. It was a GTO converted to look like a Camaro. Saleen did the work. GM wouldn't give them a real Camaro (since they were all prototypes at the time) to do the movie.

This pace car is going to be worth a LOT because it will be the only run of the Camaros! :D LOL

I don't really like the Camaro. Saw it at the DC Auto Show a few weeks ago and don't think it looks very good up close and in person.

It's almost... tacky?

I think the new Mustang looks better... Challenger, too (even though the Challenger looks like a fat pig).

And all this is IF it comes out with out any thing go wrong with it .. If it has some recalls straight out of the box ....:shakes head:

Traded in my 06 GTO for my 370Z. The best thing about the car was the awesome LS2 engine. Worst thing about the car was the boat like suspension. All that power and torque and the thing cornered like a greyhound bus. Even the magazines loved the muscle under the hood, but all said it seriously was lacking in the handling department. Also for some reason they sold the car with 235's all around. And there wasn't much room to go bigger. 400hp/400tqft + 235 tires = horrible traction problem. Now I have to hand it to GM's Australian Holden devision because my GTO was solid as a rock. 3.5 years of light abuse and it never squeaked, never knocked, nothing. I might of just got lucky though.

well since we are of subject a little anyway .. Maybe you can give us a GTO VS 370Z walkaround ... Stuff like ride, fit, power, stoping , and such ???

Camaro sucks.

Mustang will continue to be my choice of American muscle. I love my car, and I cannot wait until the 5.0 makes a return in 2011. The 5.0 is going to be the nail in the coffin for GM. Its going to perform better, handle better, and brake better. GM will not be able to respond in their current financial situation which shows no signs of getting better anytime soon.

Seriously, you say it like the Mustang is any good at all. Sorry bro, but Ford has forgotten that whole "muscle" part of the "muscle car" scheme. At least GM's cars have power and efficiency. Hey, maybe they'll finally bring a 6-speed into the GT, who knows! The GT puts down as much horsepower in 4.6L form as the 3.6L V6 does in the Camaro, and LESS than the 3.7L in the 370! Quality.

Where do you get these grand schemes that the Mustang will suddenly be any better than it is now, other than power? And thats IF the 5.0 comes out! Get out of here lol. Good thing the current 4.6 still isn't putting down as much horsepower as 1997's LS1...

The best thing they had going was the Terminators - should have never stopped that concept.

The GTOs were made well. I'll give them that. I have a few friends with GTOs. But you're right, they suck for handling, they're heavy, and the small tires are pretty lame. One of my friends has 275's on the back and Nitto NT-01s all around. Of course, they still break loose like crazy, especially since he's running twin turbos. But aside from that, it wasn't a bad car.

(Although it was stupid to have 2 3rd eye brake lights. LOL)

Let me ask you this, if the Mustang is such a paltry competitor, then why is Ford not on the verge of bankruptcy? It works.

The Mustang has had no competitor since 2002 or whenever the Camaro croaked. There wouldn't even be a new Camaro if it wasn't for the S197's success. That is the reason why the 4.6 lasted as long as it did, because there was no need to upgrade.

Now with GM's LS3 that they seem to throw into everything, Ford is bringing back the 5.0. Don't even pretend that its not going to be a reality. Just do some research.

Plus, look at the new 2010 mustang test from Motor Trend. The car stops in 108 ft, pulls 0.95g on the skidpad, and accelerates to 60 in 4.9 sec. It even does a 13.5 quarter with this archaic engine that you talk about. This all with $1495 track pack. That will only improve when the new, LIGHTER, 5.0 comes out. If a 5.0 is not your thing, then you have the 3.5L Ecoboost producing 365hp. Talk about a tuner's dream with all forged internals and direct injection to boot. This engine will be even lighter than the 4.6L

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there is a reason why the Mustang has never ceased production. Its fast, fun, and affordable. Now :gtfo2:

^^^ agreed

sorta agree... the thing that keeps the Mustang alive is V6 cars not the GTs... but the 3.5l ... that should be 'very interestin'...

I somewhat agree too. Affordable is the key word. A GT is 20K and 300HP right now. The V6 not too far behind. Ford produces so many mustangs that anyone can afford one and drive off the lot with one same day instead of having to order it. That's what makes them so popular. If GM or Dodge did the same thing, they'd have been in good shape. GM couldn't sell enough F-Bodies so they killed it. If they'd mass produced the Firebirds and Camaros like Ford did with the Mustangs, the F-Bodies would have been cheaper and the more people would have bought the F-Bodies too. But a lot of people couldn't afford the 35K price tag on a Trans Am, 25K on the Firebirds and instead went and bought the "bang for the buck" American car. GM couldn't compete with the Mustang sales.

See, Ford gambles and wins because they do. They produce a LOT of the same vehicle to drive the cost down. GM refuses to gamble and instead they play it safe building the cars on demand which keeps the price up. They screw themselves every time too. The LS1 powered cars were FAR superior to any Mustang ever produced up until this 2010 Mustang. That's a 12 year domination by LS1s. Before that, the LT1 was kicking the Mustang's butt for 7 years. So, GM dominated the muscle car market (when it comes to stock performance) for 19 years, and Ford dominated the muscle car market (when it comes to sales) for about 30 years. All that being said, the Mustang has a much bigger cult following because the Mustang sold more by the thousands than the GM F-bodies.

You must be delusional...the others are correct. Ford was successful because of the V6 one, not the V8. It had nothing to do with the performance at all - it had EVERYTHING to do that it was cheaper.

But, lets not even discuss price here, lets stick to performance. In which case, I will say that F-bodies were able to run high 12's in the quarter mile with a good driver and stock tires. The vast majority, however, ran really low 13's with a decent driver/track.

Fun and affordable, sure I wont argue that. Thats what kept it alive: the fact that they are cheap.

But fast? Don't lie to yourself - until the 5.0 comes out, a 13.5 in the quarter is something that F-bodies did back in 1998 with a shitty *** driver. Just like Crash said, Mustangs have been dominated by anything LSX (or even LT1) powered since its inception. The ONLY reason its still around, is because its so cheap. If GM brought the price of their F-bodies down to about the price of the Mustangs, name one PERFORMANCE reason to choose the Mustang over the F-body? And luckily, thanks to ever-predictable GM depreciation, you can get a used F-body for cheaper than an equivalent Mustang, all thanks to how popular the Mustang is.

The people who come on here thinking a 13.5 quarter mile is FAST, are the same people who finally moved out of the "under body neons with NAWZ" phase of their life.

The Mustang isn't fast? I'm delusional? It is fast. Maybe not as fast as others, but it is a fast car.

Alright, maybe I was a little harsh in saying a 13.5 stock isnt fast. But it certainly isnt amazing when stock 98-02 F-bodies ran better times years ago. Stock.

Maybe I'm just tired of B16-swapped Honda Civic Hatch douche bags who think breaking into the 14's is an accomplishment, when any kid can go grab mommy's Nissan Maxima 3.5 and run a better time.

Either way, my point remains the same on the performance aspect of the LSX. The block is stronger. The bottom end is stronger. It responds to mods better (go find a cam-swap kit for it that will up your WHP by 50+ for $1000, please). And the final slap in the face, its better on gas. Until the 5.0 comes out, stock 98-02 F-bodies will still beat stock new Mustangs. Unless its a crappy automatic without a stall, of course.

Why the hell doesn't ford slam the 5.4L in it and call it a day?

I totally agree with you on the LSX. I'm begging my dad to do some serious mods to it.

Heads + cam + intake + headers-back = 450+ WHP in an LS1. Toss in a little shot of giggle juice and its a joke. It used to be hard (read: expensive) to hit 500 WHP. Now, not nearly as much. You can do that with $3000 or so. Cam grinds just keep getting better and better.

Even without heads and a baby cam, mine put down about 400 WHP (dynojet btw - I would have preferred a Mustang dyno if I could find one...) off the juice. It was at that point that I realized...."what is up with all these people wanting 600+ HP in their street cars?" Nobody needs that, unless they just want to burn a lot of rubber, really.

Anyway, whats the dad have?

He has a C6 Z06. Love it.