2012 Camaro Z28

frost

Most of the articles that were written about the demise (discontinuation) of the camaro/firebird in 2002 was because the purchasers kept wanting more and more out of the car, more hp, better looks, until finally, it was just a 4-seat corvette. Assuming that's true, it seems like they are trading awfully close to the mistake of the past.

MMC Racing

The car was discontinued for slow sales. Sales were slow because GM didn't redesign the car in 10 years. I think there was some drama around what platform the next gen would ride on in the late 90's that pushed out the redesign so long that they decided to stop production.

So unless we see the exact some body style in 2019, I don't see the parallels.

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frost

Didn't redesign the car for 10 years?


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Oh, and let's not forget the completely different engine, going from iron to aluminum. Your argument is dumb and invalid.

Red370

god that car looked awful, thing has nostrils like Djimon Hounsou.

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frost

Maybe a firehawk is more your style? two less nostrils but same ram air

MMC Racing

Maybe you don't understand the difference between minor face lifts and a redesign..

Mustang 2004 versus Mustang 2005. Now that is a redesign..

Mustang 1998 versus Mustang 1999. Face lift.

The 4th gen F-bodies went through a slow evolution over their run, but nothing more. Even your pictures that you post has the 2nd looking like the first with a body kit.

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frost

If you think the difference between those cars is a facelift, we just have completely different eyes. Not to mention (again) the completely different engine. Not like what happened in the middle of the 350z's run, I mean a huge change in engines.

MMC Racing

Lets look at some numbers.. Mustang/Camaro sales in the 4th gen timeframe:

94:123,198/ 119,934
95: 185,986/ 122,844
96: 126,483/ 66,827
97: 100,254/ 95,812
98: 170,642/ 77,198
99: 126,067/ 42,098
00: 218,525/ 45,417
01: 155,162/ 29,009

Mustang never had a power advantage, so why did it outsell the Camaro so badly? Why did GM use the "excuse" of everyone moving to 4 and 6 cyl cars as a reason they cut off production in 2002 yet the Mustang continue to sell well?

My opinion is styling and the lack of a meaningful refresh in almost 10 years was the #1 reason followed by strategic shifts in the next gen chassis to build a new Camaro from.

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frost

Can I follow but just not agree?

Are you actually saying the f-bod twins didn't have a refresh and the mustang did?