2012 Camaro Z28

Lemers · 07-24-2010, 10:03 AM

Better get it soon before the restoration crowd starts to set it's eyes on '80s cars and the prices of unrestored ones goes through the roof

JACKPAC · 07-24-2010, 10:05 AM

This car has similar specs to the CTS-V which retails for around 75,000ish. That would be one over-priced camaro!

m4a1mustang · 07-24-2010, 11:17 AM

This I actually might like.

m4a1mustang · 07-24-2010, 11:38 AM

I still think Trans Ams look awesome in that "oh my God it's so ugly it looks awesome" kind of way.

Trips · 07-24-2010, 11:40 AM

That Bra, is like the a car cover for the Z?
Its Big and Bloated.

m4a1mustang · 07-24-2010, 11:40 AM

An engine and body work doesn't really constitute a redesign, though.

To me, a redesign = new chassis.

frost · 07-24-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

An engine and body work doesn't really constitute a redesign, though.

To me, a redesign = new chassis.

I can see this logic, BUT what does that mean for new cars, such as the challenger that ride on a chassis that was already in use in other cars for several years? Is the challenger just a charger/magnum/300 with a body kit?

m4a1mustang · 07-24-2010, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

I can see this logic, BUT what does that mean for new cars, such as the challenger that ride on a chassis that was already in use in other cars for several years? Is the challenger just a charger/magnum/300 with a body kit?

No, that logic doesn't work because it's a different model.

Plus, a lot of cars share the same base platforms but much of the chassis is still exclusive to that particular model. You can't just take a Charger and slap a Challenger body on it. Though I am sure you know that.

frost · 07-24-2010, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

No, that logic doesn't work because it's a different model.

Plus, a lot of cars share the same base platforms but much of the chassis is still exclusive to that particular model. You can't just take a Charger and slap a Challenger body on it. Though I am sure you know that.

:gasp: You mean cars aren't like RC cars and I can't just hoist the shell off one and slap on another? How dare you.

Just a friendly argument, but it seems hard for me to buy into:
- A redesign constitutes a changed chassis
- But a new car can use an old chassis, and that's cool.

In fact, by what you're saying, did the camaro/firebird ever get a redesign? Up until the latest version, they were all f-bodies.

Edit: and as far as it not counting because it's not the same model, the firebird and camaro were different models, but talk about only a couple minor differences. You couldn't even tell what car you were in from the inside.

m4a1mustang · 07-24-2010, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

:gasp: You mean cars aren't like RC cars and I can't just hoist the shell off one and slap on another? How dare you.

Just a friendly argument, but it seems hard for me to buy into:
- A redesign constitutes a changed chassis
- But a new car can use an old chassis, and that's cool.

In fact, by what you're saying, did the camaro/firebird ever get a redesign? Up until the latest version, they were all f-bodies.

You're not following what I'm saying at all frost.

Lemers · 07-24-2010, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

I can see this logic, BUT what does that mean for new cars, such as the challenger that ride on a chassis that was already in use in other cars for several years? Is the challenger just a charger/magnum/300 with a body kit?

Yes! Yes it is Frost. And the G coupe is a Z

Kirkster · 07-24-2010, 12:01 PM

And it will still be a Government Motors car...

I was waffling between an 08 Vett Z06, 09 BMW Z4 3.5i, and the 370Z coupe before I got my 370Z roadster.

I could not get over the cheesy GM interior on the Vett. I mean come on, it is a 70K car and they put a window switch in for the Ignition button

I just could not get past the price on the Z4 3.5i especially since it barely out performed the Z Roadster in a strait line(stock, and I hear the easy mods on the Z4 get an easy 80HP without trying hard), and does not outperform it in the twisties.

Unfortunately for me my wife made me go test drive the 370 with her along. The Roadster seats were the deal sealer, she loved them from the first minute. The Touring coupe seats made her completely uncomfortable, and I was not a fan of them either. The bonus of having a convertible again was the final deal sealer.

As I sit here in Jordan she is out driving my car...

Pharmacist · 07-24-2010, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirkster

And it will still be a Government Motors car...

I was waffling between an 08 Vett Z06, 09 BMW Z4 3.5i, and the 370Z coupe before I got my 370Z roadster.

I could not get over the cheesy GM interior on the Vett. I mean come on, it is a 70K car and they put a window switch in for the Ignition button

I just could not get past the price on the Z4 3.5i especially since it barely out performed the Z Roadster in a strait line(stock, and I hear the easy mods on the Z4 get an easy 80HP without trying hard), and does not outperform it in the twisties.

Unfortunately for me my wife made me go test drive the 370 with her along. The Roadster seats were the deal sealer, she loved them from the first minute. The Touring coupe seats made her completely uncomfortable, and I was not a fan of them either. The bonus of having a convertible again was the final deal sealer.

As I sit here in Jordan she is out driving my car...

are you jordanian?

370Zsteve · 07-24-2010, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pharmacist

are you jordanian?

he's Canadian.

frost · 07-24-2010, 12:10 PM

In fact, now that I think about it, the mustang actually went LONGER than the f-bod twins without a refresh. They used the same car from 1994 - 2004.

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Kirkster A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Peoples Republic of MD Posts: 1,792 Drives: Roadster of DOOM Rep Power: 20	And it will still be a Government Motors car... I was waffling between an 08 Vett Z06, 09 BMW Z4 3.5i, and the 370Z coupe before I got my 370Z roadster. I could not get over the cheesy GM interior on the Vett. I mean come on, it is a 70K car and they put a window switch in for the Ignition button I just could not get past the price on the Z4 3.5i especially since it barely out performed the Z Roadster in a strait line(stock, and I hear the easy mods on the Z4 get an easy 80HP without trying hard), and does not outperform it in the twisties. Unfortunately for me my wife made me go test drive the 370 with her along. The Roadster seats were the deal sealer, she loved them from the first minute. The Touring coupe seats made her completely uncomfortable, and I was not a fan of them either. The bonus of having a convertible again was the final deal sealer. As I sit here in Jordan she is out driving my car... __________________ Powertrain Warranty voided on 5/14/2011 Mod List:GTM Supercharger,SmartTop module, Oil Cooler, GT-R Start button, Nismo Exhaust, BC Racing ER Coilovers, Backup Camara For eastwest:

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