Toyota FT-86/FR-S

Gunzero · 04-21-2011, 12:10 AM

Looks like my next car

The lines are very sleek and exotic.

Red__Zed · 04-21-2011, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

I'll believe that when I see it. It takes time to go from concept to production line. Even if that concept is near production.

Most of the hard work is done. Chassis and engine are completely production ready.

280z/300zx · 04-21-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I think you're actually more out of the loop.

The car will be priced much closer to 30k, not 20-25k.

It's been well known for a while that the car won't be AWD. The engine placement does not allow for the use of subaru's AWD system.

The engine will be a tuned up EJ20, or the new FB20. Subaru is currently planning to release only a turbo edition, while toyota is planning on releasing several. It's been known since the beginning that the car would be focused more on being lightweight and fun, rather than powerful.

This may all change, of course, since even the manufacturers don't know for sure what will happen at this point.

All over the suby boards (ex suby owner myself) it is known that there will NOT be a turbo motor for either brand right off the bat. The new FB20 motor is said to use toyota DI for a boost in power and mpg which will achieve 180hp. I'm just passing on the info I've been reading from several suby boards. Could be wrong info I suppose but a turbo has been out of the equation since the beginning of the year.

Also one has to think, 25-30k for a sub 200hp car. Sure it might be light, nimble and fun to drive but so is the 370z which actually has power to back it up. I just don't see many people paying the price for this car when so many other cars in it's price segment would out run it. Then again the miata sells decently so I guess there are those who will. A lot of people are saying the car is for cornering not speed. Then I think, I destroy miata's at the auto-x events I go to with my 370z and at the end of the day I can still pull a 13 sec 1/4 mile. Why oh why would I want an Ft-86 when for almost the same amount I can have a Z.

DJ-of-E · 04-21-2011, 12:34 PM

I actually like the MK1 rear a whole lot more than this one. Though I'm not sure if the fron bumper would stay because it's not gonna fit into EU safety standards (hence why a lot of cars has egg shape front).

180HP and 2800lbs is NOT considered light by past means. That's pretty much prelude standards, and they're considered "slower" cars around the track when compared to RSX and Civic in the Honda line. My Celica is 2550lbs and it has 180hp, 164hp on the wheels. I'm sure this has more torque, but 30lbs of torque will not make up the extra 300+ lbs.

iff2mastamatt · 04-21-2011, 03:44 PM

I added a video of the debut of the 3rd concept in the original post if any of you were interested, it might clear up some of your questions.

kenchan · 04-21-2011, 07:13 PM

not bad for a toyata.

Jordo! · 04-21-2011, 07:27 PM

It's beautiful -- but needs turbo!

Red__Zed · 04-21-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

All over the suby boards (ex suby owner myself) it is known that there will NOT be a turbo motor for either brand right off the bat. The new FB20 motor is said to use toyota DI for a boost in power and mpg which will achieve 180hp. I'm just passing on the info I've been reading from several suby boards. Could be wrong info I suppose but a turbo has been out of the equation since the beginning of the year.

Also one has to think, 25-30k for a sub 200hp car. Sure it might be light, nimble and fun to drive but so is the 370z which actually has power to back it up. I just don't see many people paying the price for this car when so many other cars in it's price segment would out run it. Then again the miata sells decently so I guess there are those who will. A lot of people are saying the car is for cornering not speed. Then I think, I destroy miata's at the auto-x events I go to with my 370z and at the end of the day I can still pull a 13 sec 1/4 mile. Why oh why would I want an Ft-86 when for almost the same amount I can have a Z.

Nasioc?

mjd77 · 04-21-2011, 10:38 PM

I'll admit, the concept looks absolutely awesome, but I can assure you we are in for a HUGE disappointment when the final specs are confirmed. It will be all show, no go. Subaru will be the one that eventually ends up with the big boy version of this car.

What really pisses me off is that IMO, an ideal balanced car in the affordable sports car segment should be between 2800-3000 lbs with 275-300 hp. It's almost as if it can't be done. Out of all the car brands I don't think there is a single car that fits those specs. The Z and the RX-8 are probably the 2 closest cars to that range. The 8 needs about 50 more HP and the Z needs to lose about 2-3oo lbs.

iff2mastamatt · 04-23-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

I'll admit, the concept looks absolutely awesome, but I can assure you we are in for a HUGE disappointment when the final specs are confirmed. It will be all show, no go. Subaru will be the one that eventually ends up with the big boy version of this car.

What really pisses me off is that IMO, an ideal balanced car in the affordable sports car segment should be between 2800-3000 lbs with 275-300 hp. It's almost as if it can't be done. Out of all the car brands I don't think there is a single car that fits those specs. The Z and the RX-8 are probably the 2 closest cars to that range. The 8 needs about 50 more HP and the Z needs to lose about 2-3oo lbs.

I think the FR-S is targeted to perspective buyers as being a sporty/fuel-economic car. It is more of a CR-Z competitor than anything else, except without the hybrid aspect. If it can get 30 mpg and go 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds, I think that is admirable.

theDreamer · 04-23-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

I think the FR-S is targeted to perspective buyers as being a sporty/fuel-economic car. It is more of a CR-Z competitor than anything else, except without the hybrid aspect. If it can get 30 mpg and go 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds, I think that is admirable.

Which is why people will be upset.
I think most were hoping for a lightweight RWD sport coupe, MPG is not something they should be considering, just a bonus if it happens.

Lemers · 04-23-2011, 04:40 PM

But with new standards MPG is what car companies need to worry about.

theDreamer · 04-23-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

But with new standards MPG is what car companies need to worry about.

Not really, a lot of companies are only 5mpg away from the new standards and some have just released their electric cars with more on the way. That there will give companies like Ford, Nissan, etc. the ability to keep low MPG cars

Lug · 04-23-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

I think the FR-S is targeted to perspective buyers as being a sporty/fuel-economic car. It is more of a CR-Z competitor than anything else, except without the hybrid aspect. If it can get 30 mpg and go 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds, I think that is admirable.

The 6 banger Mustang does better than that for about $22K, MSRP.

Jordo! · 04-23-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The 6 banger Mustang does better than that for about $22K, MSRP.

Yeah, but it will corner like a dump truck by comparison

That said, don't get me wrong -- I'm in the "this car needs decent HP" camp. A lot of the fan base apparently is unconcerned with how fast this thing is in a straight line.

04-21-2011, 12:10 AM	#106 (permalink)
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mjd77 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Port Washington, WI Age: 47 Posts: 183 Drives: 2004 RX-8 Rep Power: 16	I'll admit, the concept looks absolutely awesome, but I can assure you we are in for a HUGE disappointment when the final specs are confirmed. It will be all show, no go. Subaru will be the one that eventually ends up with the big boy version of this car. What really pisses me off is that IMO, an ideal balanced car in the affordable sports car segment should be between 2800-3000 lbs with 275-300 hp. It's almost as if it can't be done. Out of all the car brands I don't think there is a single car that fits those specs. The Z and the RX-8 are probably the 2 closest cars to that range. The 8 needs about 50 more HP and the Z needs to lose about 2-3oo lbs. Last edited by mjd77; 04-21-2011 at 10:50 PM.

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