Blasphemy!

4r3s · 03-31-2010, 06:43 PM

MT, so played out even lambos dont have them anymore. Pretty crazy stuff right there.

Lamborghini Giving The Boot To Manual Transmissions? - MotorAuthority

03-31-2010, 06:50 PM

I dont see an issue with this

Pharmacist · 03-31-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

I dont see an issue with this

how observant! first it was ferrari to phase out manual gearboxes, now lamborghini is joining them. soon, audi will do the same to the r8. bmw will also phase out the manual gearbox in favor of the dual clutch transmission. and then porsche will have the pdk standard on all their cars. aston has already semi-eliminated the manual from their models. mercedes hasn't offered them in years on their sporty cars. a whole bunch of supposedly sporty supposedly driver oriented cars that drive themselves via a computer chip. when it's all said and done if you want to shift your own gears the only way to do that will be to drive a commercial truck. who knows, maybe they too will get dual clutch gearboxes

yeah, no issue at all.

i would personally rather have the pleasure of shifting my own gears even if it means an extra few milliseconds around a track. not like i'm fighting for the F1 championship and every millisecond off the laptime is crucial.

lambo

ferrari

03-31-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

how observant! first it was ferrari to phase out manual gearboxes, now lamborghini is joining them. soon, audi will do the same to the r8. bmw will also phase out the manual gearbox in favor of the dual clutch transmission. and then porsche will have the pdk standard on all their cars. aston has already semi-eliminated the manual from their models. mercedes hasn't offered them in years on their sporty cars. a whole bunch of supposedly sporty supposedly driver oriented cars that drive themselves via a computer chip. when it's all said and done if you want to shift your own gears the only way to do that will be to drive a commercial truck. who knows, maybe they too will get dual clutch gearboxes

yeah, no issue at all.

i would personally rather have the pleasure of shifting my own gears even if it means an extra few milliseconds around a track. not like i'm fighting for the F1 championship and every millisecond off the laptime is crucial.

lambo

ferrari

If you are trying to attack me...I seriously suggest you back down right now...

Pharmacist · 03-31-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

If you are trying to attack me...I seriously suggest you back down right now...

where did i "attack" you? i'm pointing out the consequences of the negative trend towards automated computerized appliance-type automobiles, which you dismiss and take so lightly. and dont go threatening people over the internet, its just lame and pathetic.

fullmonty · 03-31-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

where did i "attack" you? i'm pointing out the consequences of the negative trend towards automated computerized appliance-type automobiles.

This is in your opinion of course

03-31-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

where did i "attack" you? i'm pointing out the consequences of the negative trend towards automated computerized appliance-type automobiles, which you dismiss and take so lightly. and dont go threatening people over the internet, its just lame and pathetic.

So they fact that it INCREASES acceleration and decreases top speed means its shitty? I am not threatening you believe me if I were you would know and I dont resort to e-threats as I find those people a joke. But the fact that you never hit 200+ mph on a track, and you bitchin about the "feel" is pathetic. They want to make the car better on a track...not make people like you who never drive this car complain. Top speed doesnt matter as much on a track compared to handling/acceleration. Whats top speed matter if your car cant get there as fast as others?

I have 6spd...I like it, I like getting a feel of the car but I see what they are trying to do.

fullmonty · 03-31-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

i would personally rather have the pleasure of shifting my own gears

I have a feeling you do that alot. Its called life. Things change deal with it.

Pharmacist · 03-31-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty

I have a feeling you do that alot. Its called life. Things change deal with it.

not sure what you mean that i do it a lot. i have a stick shift, so yeah, i shift gears a lot while driving. yes, things change, but not always for the better. this trend towards automated gearboxes is absolutely pointless and unnecessary. no one who buys these cars goes on to compete in le mans or touring car championships. so it's really not that critical to save those few milliseconds per lap by having an auto transmission. perhaps if ferrari and lambo owners take advanced driving courses, that would shorten their lap times much more than an electronic gearbox. besides, why not simply have both transmissions as options so that people can choose what they like? even if 5% of buyers want a manual tranmission, just make 5% of the cars witha stick shift and everyone goes home happy. no need for the stick shift to join the dinosaurs.

fullmonty · 03-31-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

not sure what you mean that i do it a lot. i have a stick shift, so yeah, i shift gears a lot while driving. yes, things change, but not always for the better. this trend towards automated gearboxes is absolutely pointless and unnecessary. no one who buys these cars goes on to compete in le mans or touring car championships. so it's really not that critical to save those few milliseconds per lap by having an auto transmission. perhaps if ferrari and lambo owners take advanced driving courses, that would shorten their lap times much more than an electronic gearbox. besides, why not simply have both transmissions as options so that people can choose what they like? even if 5% of buyers want a manual tranmission, just make 5% of the cars witha stick shift and everyone goes home happy. no need for the stick shift to join the dinosaurs.

Allow me to assume that when you say these cars you are talking sports cars in general and not just the 370Z, because allot of these sports cars are designed to compete in Le Mans and various other motorsports events. It is simply not practical for a manufacturer to design both a manual and automatic transmission for the sale car. Particularly if one is substandard. Automatic transmissions are obviously capable and are proving to be an all around better transmission. I don't understand why you are so change adverse.

theDreamer · 03-31-2010, 06:55 PM

It is bound to happen. I think Ferrari said that on one of their cars in 2009 only 2-3% are sold in manuals so they dropped it from many of their cars.
I like manual still, but having not driven one of these cars with a very high quality paddle system I cannot comment on which I truly enjoy more.

G37Sam · 03-31-2010, 07:07 PM

I'd definitely take an MT over an AT had it been available on our G's, a double clutch gearbox though like that on the Ferrari is just too good a bargain to pass on

The sound generated from the 60ms fuel cut during shifts is a symphony on its own to start with

4r3s · 03-31-2010, 07:29 PM

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I'd definitely take an MT over an AT had it been available on our G's, a double clutch gearbox though like that on the Ferrari is just too good a bargain to pass on

The sound generated from the 60ms fuel cut during shifts is a symphony on its own to start with

yeah but they made it sound like a double clutch isnt going to happed either.

"However, don’t expect advanced dual clutch transmissions to replace Lamborghini’s e-gear sequential automatic anytime soon. Reggiani pointed out that Lamborghini’s six-speed box is around 50 pounds lighter than a dual clutch unit and the automaker is opposed to unequal gear steps, as is the case with most seven-speed transmissions."

antman22 · 03-31-2010, 07:35 PM

these car companies make cars for performance, whatever gets them from point a to point b faster. AT's and DCT's have proven faster than MT's, so it only makes sense. Yes, the nostalgia of MT's is awesome, but when you're in a company that has to perform, you'll ditch the MT to shave a few tenths off that clock.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-31-2010, 09:59 PM

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these car companies make cars for performance, whatever gets them from point a to point b faster. AT's and DCT's have proven faster than MT's, so it only makes sense. Yes, the nostalgia of MT's is awesome, but when you're in a company that has to perform, you'll ditch the MT to shave a few tenths off that clock.

+1
Well said. Nostalgia rules manuals. Performance rules autos.

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G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 21	I'd definitely take an MT over an AT had it been available on our G's, a double clutch gearbox though like that on the Ferrari is just too good a bargain to pass on The sound generated from the 60ms fuel cut during shifts is a symphony on its own to start with __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

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antman22 Track Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 597 Drives: 09 PG 370z 7AT Rep Power: 17	these car companies make cars for performance, whatever gets them from point a to point b faster. AT's and DCT's have proven faster than MT's, so it only makes sense. Yes, the nostalgia of MT's is awesome, but when you're in a company that has to perform, you'll ditch the MT to shave a few tenths off that clock.