What platforms make power easier?
 

So after doing tons of research on the Z I do not see alot of them at my power goal which is 800whp. I am not sure where they are and if their motors are toast. It is quite expensive to get the car to that power level as you know. I am really looking for another platform at this point that can make the power easier and for cheaper. I also need to factor in the car cost. 10-15k CAD used for a Z where I am. C6 vettes are 25-40k CAD used (This is for reference sake). I have been looking into EVO's but it seems that they too are expensive to mod although I did not do extensive research on that platform. I mean I looked at vettes too but honestly not into American cars and v8's but if I see they make power (800whp) at an affordable price, then I will go with that one. I mean, there has to be a platform that can do it for cheaper than the Z... right? I am not sure where to go from here and what platform to choose. If any of you have recommendations preferably JDM that weigh around the weight of a Z and make power (800whp) for cheaper than the Z please let me know. I am hoping that I can finally find a platform that I am happy with.

Buy American. That's going to be the easiest and "cheapest" way to make power.

There's no replacement for displacement. The closer you start to 800, the cheaper it will be to get to 800.
Frankly, I never would have looked at a Z if that was my goal. I would have started with that V8 power.
A '19 Hellcat runs $65k US, a 30k premium over a Nismo, and it's designed for that kind of power. The reliability will already be built in.



Kirk B.

Camaro Zl1 all day long no Hell Crap for me! LOL

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I used it as a reference, since I knew it was right at 800 horses.


Kirk B.

LMAO, my Z will be at 800 plus whp but if you are looking at dollars to whp there are better choices based on dollars.

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Such as? Also I cannot afford a new Zl1

A hellcat is way out of my price range... Like I said cheaper than the Z when it gets to 800whp is the goal.

I guess my point is that hp costs money to do it reliably. I would be scared of any 800 hp car that only cost 35k. Too many corners cut somewhere. Something's gonna let go, either motor or drivetrain.
The only way to reduce the cost is to know what you're doing, do most of the work yourself, and use proven parts, not a kit.


Kirk B.

I see.

You ain't getting to 800 whp for less than 35k on a Z or any other platform of the same price. You also need to be prepared for it to brake or blow up. There is always additional cost for high performance. I got five pretty reliable years out of my Fast Intentions TT setup before I blew my OEM motor. She was tuned to a max of 600 whp and I pretty much kept it at 500 to 550 and believe that was more than enough for the street and track. Save yourself so trouble and boost your OEM motor and stay at about 600 whp and you can keep the cost down.

The other option is to get a Miata and boost it to 300whp and walk all over v8s!

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Plenty of Benjamin’s :tup:

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How much was the build for 600whp on your stock motor? Even with a built motor 800whp has to be more reliable than 550whp on stock motor? I could be wrong thats just my thinking.

When you start getting above 500rwhp, you can't have the mindset of looking for "cheap" The build is going to cost you money either through reliability and supporting modifications, or new motors, transmissions, axles, and therapy.


edit: if you're going to BOOST this car, you can't have the "cheap" mindset. N/A is the only way to keep it safe and affordable.

Why the 800HP number - is there a reason behind it. I mean, if you were to get a Z to 550-600HP; would that not satisfy the ‘Need for Speed’? I think like others have mentioned - going with a car that is already close to the 800HP number would probably be easier to get it to where you want it to be etc. As for the cost a Hellcat etc - my question - if you got a Z, along with doing a TT kit properly (if you got a shop to do the install) along with the cost of all the supporting mods etc - then to keep it reliable. I just think it would be easier/better to find a more expensive yet more powerful platform to reach your goals. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Is this for any car or are the thresholds different? What cars can I hit 800whp on for cheaper than the Z?

Thanks man. Im just looking for a platform that has better price to performance ratio than the Z... Id expect there are more that are reliable than the Z at this power level but cost more than a 800whp Z would.

Get a Mustang lol...power costs man. I'm just curious why 800hp? Most people usually have a specific goal in mind for drag, time attack etc. I think the most bang for buck is domestic. Good luck with your goals dude!!

The thresholds would be different, depending on the basehp on the target vehicle.
Cheapest option? Probably a 30 to 40 year old cluncker with a crate motor.
Done properly, even a z boosted to 800 hp will end up costing you as much as a used hellcat. Done improperly, it will cost you more. There is no such thing as 800 HP for "cheaper than a Z". And that's assuming you mean "cheaper than a Z plus the cost of mods".
Realistically, a Z with 800 horses is probably gonna cost 25k over the price of the car.


Kirk B.

How old are you?

Well what I was really asking is what other platforms allow me to get to my power goals for a less amount of money therefore being the better platform for making power. The car would need to be around the same price as a USED 370z.

Why?

I have always wanted a nuts car and I though hey why not put that power into my favorite looking car a 370z! Honestly not into mustangs and since they weigh more lol. Thanks dude!

Just trying to figure out how much experience you have in modding cars.

800hp on pump will cost you about 35,000 USD maybe more with the Z. Any other JDM car will be about the same. Cheapest way to 800hp is American muscle.

To recap what's been said above:
Getting 800HP out of a drivetrain designed for around 350HP is going to cost a lot of money if done right. If done incorrectly, it will cost even more.

Getting 800HP out of a drivetrain designed for 650-700HP (eg, a big V-8) is relatively cheap and much more reliable.

Starting with a "muscle car" will be cheaper in the end. Higher cost for the vehicle; lower cost to mod and maintain.

Not just for power, the ZL1 Camaro is a bonafide sports car. They’re more of a handful, but that comes with 650hp and 650 ft/lbs of torque. Try one and get back to me... you’ll see.

I gotta do it....Sorry.

He started wanting around 550...couple weeks later became 800.
OP stated he had never had an 800whp level car before in a reply to Spooler.
When asked about budget, he replied “any amount”.
When he started seeing the cost of things, and the ever increasing laundry list, then he tries to save money anywhere he can...turbo kit, injector, motor builder...
Maybe his buddy’s 800whp EVO build has something to do his fixation on that whp figure.

I think Random has some soul searching to do. Whatever amount it takes to properly build a motor, you also need to account for breakdowns. High power build? Better have a spare motor ready to go. Ready to accept down time, emotional And financial roller coaster.

Anyone that has read Spooler’s thread would know this whp level for this motor requires not just substantial initial funds to build it right, then substantial backup fund for if/when things hit the fan.

Best of luck.

Spend that money duuude :tup:

Bring your check book with you! If you plan on going down the rabbit hole with your Z like so many of us have it will cost you a lot more money,time,and labor. I would agree if you are looking for something more budget friendly purchase than American made vehicle. I made the power a lot easier when I had my 1996 SVT Cobra and 2005 Ford Mustang GT and it was lighter on the wallet lol.

And it not just here. He has been splattering this all over the internet. It's nothing more than day dreams

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Have you tried decals? I get anywhere from 5-50 whp per sticker :twocents:

I got a bunch if he wants them. There should be about 3,000hp in that bunch I have. :tup:

Probably more like 30,000 :eek: I bet you gave away 3,000 at Labor Day :tup:

oh god... what a speech... maybe ur right.

One has to learn, no?

Dude, you are nowhere near the knowledge or funds level you need to be at for this project. Either punt on the idea entirely or put a BP kit on a stock motor. It's still fast as **** but it's removable and you haven't spent an extra $20k that you will never get back.

Also, can I paypal a mod $20 to change OP's name to Cupcake2.0?

Just talking about him in another thread. He sold the Z and got a Q60.