What platforms make power easier?

NecioVato · 10-19-2020, 08:22 PM

Why the 800HP number - is there a reason behind it. I mean, if you were to get a Z to 550-600HP; would that not satisfy the ‘Need for Speed’? I think like others have mentioned - going with a car that is already close to the 800HP number would probably be easier to get it to where you want it to be etc. As for the cost a Hellcat etc - my question - if you got a Z, along with doing a TT kit properly (if you got a shop to do the install) along with the cost of all the supporting mods etc - then to keep it reliable. I just think it would be easier/better to find a more expensive yet more powerful platform to reach your goals. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by abm89

When you start getting above 500rwhp, you can't have the mindset of looking for "cheap" The build is going to cost you money either through reliability and supporting modifications, or new motors, transmissions, axles, and therapy.

edit: if you're going to BOOST this car, you can't have the "cheap" mindset. N/A is the only way to keep it safe and affordable.

Is this for any car or are the thresholds different? What cars can I hit 800whp on for cheaper than the Z?

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NecioVato

Why the 800HP number - is there a reason behind it. I mean, if you were to get a Z to 550-600HP; would that not satisfy the ‘Need for Speed’? I think like others have mentioned - going with a car that is already close to the 800HP number would probably be easier to get it to where you want it to be etc. As for the cost a Hellcat etc - my question - if you got a Z, along with doing a TT kit properly (if you got a shop to do the install) along with the cost of all the supporting mods etc - then to keep it reliable. I just think it would be easier/better to find a more expensive yet more powerful platform to reach your goals. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Thanks man. Im just looking for a platform that has better price to performance ratio than the Z... Id expect there are more that are reliable than the Z at this power level but cost more than a 800whp Z would.

*J*ap***V*et* · 10-19-2020, 08:52 PM

Get a Mustang lol...power costs man. I'm just curious why 800hp? Most people usually have a specific goal in mind for drag, time attack etc. I think the most bang for buck is domestic. Good luck with your goals dude!!

crazy4oldcars · 10-19-2020, 09:25 PM

The thresholds would be different, depending on the basehp on the target vehicle.
Cheapest option? Probably a 30 to 40 year old cluncker with a crate motor.
Done properly, even a z boosted to 800 hp will end up costing you as much as a used hellcat. Done improperly, it will cost you more. There is no such thing as 800 HP for "cheaper than a Z". And that's assuming you mean "cheaper than a Z plus the cost of mods".
Realistically, a Z with 800 horses is probably gonna cost 25k over the price of the car.

Kirk B.

Rusty · 10-19-2020, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomizer23

Thanks man. Im just looking for a platform that has better price to performance ratio than the Z... Id expect there are more that are reliable than the Z at this power level but cost more than a 800whp Z would.

How old are you?

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crazy4oldcars

The thresholds would be different, depending on the basehp on the target vehicle.
Cheapest option? Probably a 30 to 40 year old cluncker with a crate motor.
Done properly, even a z boosted to 800 hp will end up costing you as much as a used hellcat. Done improperly, it will cost you more. There is no such thing as 800 HP for "cheaper than a Z". And that's assuming you mean "cheaper than a Z plus the cost of mods".
Realistically, a Z with 800 horses is probably gonna cost 25k over the price of the car.

Kirk B.

Well what I was really asking is what other platforms allow me to get to my power goals for a less amount of money therefore being the better platform for making power. The car would need to be around the same price as a USED 370z.

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

How old are you?

Why?

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by *J*ap***V*et*

Get a Mustang lol...power costs man. I'm just curious why 800hp? Most people usually have a specific goal in mind for drag, time attack etc. I think the most bang for buck is domestic. Good luck with your goals dude!!

I have always wanted a nuts car and I though hey why not put that power into my favorite looking car a 370z! Honestly not into mustangs and since they weigh more lol. Thanks dude!

Rusty · 10-19-2020, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomizer23

Why?

Just trying to figure out how much experience you have in modding cars.

Rusty · 10-19-2020, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomizer23

Well what I was really asking is what other platforms allow me to get to my power goals for a less amount of money therefore being the better platform for making power. The car would need to be around the same price as a USED 370z.

800hp on pump will cost you about 35,000 USD maybe more with the Z. Any other JDM car will be about the same. Cheapest way to 800hp is American muscle.

SouthArk370Z · 10-19-2020, 11:38 PM

To recap what's been said above:
Getting 800HP out of a drivetrain designed for around 350HP is going to cost a lot of money if done right. If done incorrectly, it will cost even more.

Getting 800HP out of a drivetrain designed for 650-700HP (eg, a big V-8) is relatively cheap and much more reliable.

Starting with a "muscle car" will be cheaper in the end. Higher cost for the vehicle; lower cost to mod and maintain.

Pupilbone · 10-20-2020, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Camaro Zl1 all day long no Hell Crap for me! LOL

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Not just for power, the ZL1 Camaro is a bonafide sports car. They’re more of a handful, but that comes with 650hp and 650 ft/lbs of torque. Try one and get back to me... you’ll see.

cv129 · 10-20-2020, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

How old are you?

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Just trying to figure out how much experience you have in modding cars.

I gotta do it....Sorry.

He started wanting around 550...couple weeks later became 800.
OP stated he had never had an 800whp level car before in a reply to Spooler.
When asked about budget, he replied “any amount”.
When he started seeing the cost of things, and the ever increasing laundry list, then he tries to save money anywhere he can...turbo kit, injector, motor builder...
Maybe his buddy’s 800whp EVO build has something to do his fixation on that whp figure.

I think Random has some soul searching to do. Whatever amount it takes to properly build a motor, you also need to account for breakdowns. High power build? Better have a spare motor ready to go. Ready to accept down time, emotional And financial roller coaster.

Anyone that has read Spooler’s thread would know this whp level for this motor requires not just substantial initial funds to build it right, then substantial backup fund for if/when things hit the fan.

Best of luck.

jchammond · 10-20-2020, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Randomizer23

I have always wanted a nuts car and I though hey why not put that power into my favorite looking car a 370z! Honestly not into mustangs and since they weigh more lol. Thanks dude!

Spend that money duuude

10-19-2020, 08:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jap**Vet* Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 479 Drives: 2009 370z Rep Power: 115134	Get a Mustang lol...power costs man. I'm just curious why 800hp? Most people usually have a specific goal in mind for drag, time attack etc. I think the most bang for buck is domestic. Good luck with your goals dude!! Zingston likes this.

10-19-2020, 11:38 PM	#27 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324198	To recap what's been said above: Getting 800HP out of a drivetrain designed for around 350HP is going to cost a lot of money if done right. If done incorrectly, it will cost even more. Getting 800HP out of a drivetrain designed for 650-700HP (eg, a big V-8) is relatively cheap and much more reliable. Starting with a "muscle car" will be cheaper in the end. Higher cost for the vehicle; lower cost to mod and maintain. JARblue, cv129, Rusty and 3 others like this. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

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10-19-2020, 08:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
NecioVato Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 326 Drives: 2017 Black Nismo Z Rep Power: 19787	Why the 800HP number - is there a reason behind it. I mean, if you were to get a Z to 550-600HP; would that not satisfy the ‘Need for Speed’? I think like others have mentioned - going with a car that is already close to the 800HP number would probably be easier to get it to where you want it to be etc. As for the cost a Hellcat etc - my question - if you got a Z, along with doing a TT kit properly (if you got a shop to do the install) along with the cost of all the supporting mods etc - then to keep it reliable. I just think it would be easier/better to find a more expensive yet more powerful platform to reach your goals. Good luck with whatever you decide.

10-19-2020, 09:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
crazy4oldcars Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: SE Texas Posts: 448 Drives: '16 Nismo Tech Rep Power: 28413	The thresholds would be different, depending on the basehp on the target vehicle. Cheapest option? Probably a 30 to 40 year old cluncker with a crate motor. Done properly, even a z boosted to 800 hp will end up costing you as much as a used hellcat. Done improperly, it will cost you more. There is no such thing as 800 HP for "cheaper than a Z". And that's assuming you mean "cheaper than a Z plus the cost of mods". Realistically, a Z with 800 horses is probably gonna cost 25k over the price of the car. Kirk B.