What platforms make power easier?

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 03:41 PM

So after doing tons of research on the Z I do not see alot of them at my power goal which is 800whp. I am not sure where they are and if their motors are toast. It is quite expensive to get the car to that power level as you know. I am really looking for another platform at this point that can make the power easier and for cheaper. I also need to factor in the car cost. 10-15k CAD used for a Z where I am. C6 vettes are 25-40k CAD used (This is for reference sake). I have been looking into EVO's but it seems that they too are expensive to mod although I did not do extensive research on that platform. I mean I looked at vettes too but honestly not into American cars and v8's but if I see they make power (800whp) at an affordable price, then I will go with that one. I mean, there has to be a platform that can do it for cheaper than the Z... right? I am not sure where to go from here and what platform to choose. If any of you have recommendations preferably JDM that weigh around the weight of a Z and make power (800whp) for cheaper than the Z please let me know. I am hoping that I can finally find a platform that I am happy with.

abm89 · 10-19-2020, 04:05 PM

Buy American. That's going to be the easiest and "cheapest" way to make power.

crazy4oldcars · 10-19-2020, 04:08 PM

There's no replacement for displacement. The closer you start to 800, the cheaper it will be to get to 800.
Frankly, I never would have looked at a Z if that was my goal. I would have started with that V8 power.
A '19 Hellcat runs $65k US, a 30k premium over a Nismo, and it's designed for that kind of power. The reliability will already be built in.

Kirk B.

Hotrodz · 10-19-2020, 04:15 PM

Camaro Zl1 all day long no Hell Crap for me! LOL

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cv129 · 10-19-2020, 04:16 PM

LS Swap

crazy4oldcars · 10-19-2020, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Camaro Zl1 all day long no Hell Crap for me! LOL

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I used it as a reference, since I knew it was right at 800 horses.

Kirk B.

Hotrodz · 10-19-2020, 04:45 PM

LMAO, my Z will be at 800 plus whp but if you are looking at dollars to whp there are better choices based on dollars.

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Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

LMAO, my Z will be at 800 plus whp but if you are looking at dollars to whp there are better choices based on dollars.

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Such as? Also I cannot afford a new Zl1

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy4oldcars

There's no replacement for displacement. The closer you start to 800, the cheaper it will be to get to 800.
Frankly, I never would have looked at a Z if that was my goal. I would have started with that V8 power.
A '19 Hellcat runs $65k US, a 30k premium over a Nismo, and it's designed for that kind of power. The reliability will already be built in.

Kirk B.

A hellcat is way out of my price range... Like I said cheaper than the Z when it gets to 800whp is the goal.

crazy4oldcars · 10-19-2020, 05:11 PM

I guess my point is that hp costs money to do it reliably. I would be scared of any 800 hp car that only cost 35k. Too many corners cut somewhere. Something's gonna let go, either motor or drivetrain.
The only way to reduce the cost is to know what you're doing, do most of the work yourself, and use proven parts, not a kit.

Kirk B.

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy4oldcars

I guess my point is that hp costs money to do it reliably. I would be scared of any 800 hp car that only cost 35k. Too many corners cut somewhere. Something's gonna let go, either motor or drivetrain.
The only way to reduce the cost is to know what you're doing, do most of the work yourself, and use proven parts, not a kit.

Kirk B.

I see.

Hotrodz · 10-19-2020, 06:02 PM

You ain't getting to 800 whp for less than 35k on a Z or any other platform of the same price. You also need to be prepared for it to brake or blow up. There is always additional cost for high performance. I got five pretty reliable years out of my Fast Intentions TT setup before I blew my OEM motor. She was tuned to a max of 600 whp and I pretty much kept it at 500 to 550 and believe that was more than enough for the street and track. Save yourself so trouble and boost your OEM motor and stay at about 600 whp and you can keep the cost down.

The other option is to get a Miata and boost it to 300whp and walk all over v8s!

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jchammond · 10-19-2020, 06:04 PM

Plenty of Benjamin’s

Randomizer23 · 10-19-2020, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

You ain't getting to 800 whp for less than 35k on a Z or any other platform of the same price. You also need to be prepared for it to brake or blow up. There is always additional cost for high performance. I got five pretty reliable years out of my Fast Intentions TT setup before I blew my OEM motor. She was tuned to a max of 600 whp and I pretty much kept it at 500 to 550 and believe that was more than enough for the street and track. Save yourself so trouble and boost your OEM motor and stay at about 600 whp and you can keep the cost down.

The other option is to get a Miata and boost it to 300whp and walk all over v8s!

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How much was the build for 600whp on your stock motor? Even with a built motor 800whp has to be more reliable than 550whp on stock motor? I could be wrong thats just my thinking.

abm89 · 10-19-2020, 07:17 PM

When you start getting above 500rwhp, you can't have the mindset of looking for "cheap" The build is going to cost you money either through reliability and supporting modifications, or new motors, transmissions, axles, and therapy.

edit: if you're going to BOOST this car, you can't have the "cheap" mindset. N/A is the only way to keep it safe and affordable.

10-19-2020, 03:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Randomizer23 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Ontario Posts: 89 Drives: 09 370Z GM MAN Rep Power: 5	What platforms make power easier? So after doing tons of research on the Z I do not see alot of them at my power goal which is 800whp. I am not sure where they are and if their motors are toast. It is quite expensive to get the car to that power level as you know. I am really looking for another platform at this point that can make the power easier and for cheaper. I also need to factor in the car cost. 10-15k CAD used for a Z where I am. C6 vettes are 25-40k CAD used (This is for reference sake). I have been looking into EVO's but it seems that they too are expensive to mod although I did not do extensive research on that platform. I mean I looked at vettes too but honestly not into American cars and v8's but if I see they make power (800whp) at an affordable price, then I will go with that one. I mean, there has to be a platform that can do it for cheaper than the Z... right? I am not sure where to go from here and what platform to choose. If any of you have recommendations preferably JDM that weigh around the weight of a Z and make power (800whp) for cheaper than the Z please let me know. I am hoping that I can finally find a platform that I am happy with.

10-19-2020, 04:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
abm89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,386 Drives: 11 370Z \| 24 EL450 Rep Power: 64764	Buy American. That's going to be the easiest and "cheapest" way to make power. NecioVato, JARblue, Rusty and 3 others like this. __________________ Complete Parts List: https://github.com/abm89/ztouge-build

10-19-2020, 04:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
crazy4oldcars Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: SE Texas Posts: 448 Drives: '16 Nismo Tech Rep Power: 28413	There's no replacement for displacement. The closer you start to 800, the cheaper it will be to get to 800. Frankly, I never would have looked at a Z if that was my goal. I would have started with that V8 power. A '19 Hellcat runs $65k US, a 30k premium over a Nismo, and it's designed for that kind of power. The reliability will already be built in. Kirk B. Rusty likes this.

10-19-2020, 04:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	Camaro Zl1 all day long no Hell Crap for me! LOL Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk sx moneypit, Jap**Vet* and sportsman2003 like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

10-19-2020, 04:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,250 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 163995	LS Swap __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

10-19-2020, 04:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	LMAO, my Z will be at 800 plus whp but if you are looking at dollars to whp there are better choices based on dollars. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

10-19-2020, 05:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
crazy4oldcars Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: SE Texas Posts: 448 Drives: '16 Nismo Tech Rep Power: 28413	I guess my point is that hp costs money to do it reliably. I would be scared of any 800 hp car that only cost 35k. Too many corners cut somewhere. Something's gonna let go, either motor or drivetrain. The only way to reduce the cost is to know what you're doing, do most of the work yourself, and use proven parts, not a kit. Kirk B. NecioVato, JARblue and Hotrodz like this.

10-19-2020, 06:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	You ain't getting to 800 whp for less than 35k on a Z or any other platform of the same price. You also need to be prepared for it to brake or blow up. There is always additional cost for high performance. I got five pretty reliable years out of my Fast Intentions TT setup before I blew my OEM motor. She was tuned to a max of 600 whp and I pretty much kept it at 500 to 550 and believe that was more than enough for the street and track. Save yourself so trouble and boost your OEM motor and stay at about 600 whp and you can keep the cost down. The other option is to get a Miata and boost it to 300whp and walk all over v8s! Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk abm89, jchammond, husam2012 and 1 others like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

10-19-2020, 06:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
jchammond A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Carolina Age: 58 Posts: 15,204 Drives: 13’ 370Z TS 7A/T Rep Power: 2684395	Plenty of Benjamin’s Hotrodz likes this. __________________ MazWorx built long block \| FI-TT-100 Stage 2.75 \| IPT built 7A/T http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...s-musings.html

10-19-2020, 07:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
abm89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,386 Drives: 11 370Z \| 24 EL450 Rep Power: 64764	When you start getting above 500rwhp, you can't have the mindset of looking for "cheap" The build is going to cost you money either through reliability and supporting modifications, or new motors, transmissions, axles, and therapy. edit: if you're going to BOOST this car, you can't have the "cheap" mindset. N/A is the only way to keep it safe and affordable. JARblue, cv129, Rusty and 4 others like this. __________________ Complete Parts List: https://github.com/abm89/ztouge-build

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