Infiniti in Danger of collapsing!!!

Magic Bus · 09-07-2019, 04:32 PM

Not to fuel the Hyundai, Kia flames 😆 but we’ve had a couple of Kia’s in my state just go up in flames while driving. Resulting severe lifetime burn disability and injuries for a couple of people. Apparently, we’re not the only state it’s happening in.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...dai-kia-fires/

As a current and happy owner of a M2, I like what Unknown said about the Z above. Even out the weight between front & rear, but they also need to update it. A turbo six is the first must in the update, improve your electric steering feel and keep a manual trans option. But don’t you ever turbo 4 it Nissan, that’s just financial suicide.

If Nissan would do the above. And I’ve given this a lot of thought because I was thinking about this before I purchased the M2. Buy a Porsche 718 (but the turbo 4 turned me off), and get a Leaf as my practical needs, no gas car. I’m willing to sell the M2 and still do this if Nissan came out with a really good Z.

ImportConvert · 09-07-2019, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Not to fuel the Hyundai, Kia flames 😆 but we’ve had a couple of Kia’s in my state just go up in flames while driving. Resulting severe lifetime burn disability and injuries for a couple of people. Apparently, we’re not the only state it’s happening in.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...dai-kia-fires/

As a current and happy owner of a M2, I like what Unknown said about the Z above. Even out the weight between front & rear, but they also need to update it. A turbo six is the first must in the update, improve your electric steering feel and keep a manual trans option. But don’t you ever turbo 4 it Nissan, that’s just financial suicide.

If Nissan would do the above. And I’ve given this a lot of thought because I was thinking about this before I purchased the M2. Buy a Porsche 718 (but the turbo 4 turned me off), and get a Leaf as my practical needs, no gas car. I’m willing to sell the M2 and still do this if Nissan came out with a really good Z.

All I know, is Nissan better not pull a Subaru.

Rusty · 09-07-2019, 09:48 PM

Infiniti is closing up shop in Australia.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...8a369ecd01339f

jchammond · 09-07-2019, 10:24 PM

Reading through this is interesting; as the Z34 chassis is a great design...Nissan needs to do something to rejuvenate the Z.
I’m finding myself at a crossroad to either build up an older Z34, at a cost of

Or jump in a very comfortable driving coupe like the ZL1

I’m not much interested in the max-track-package; as the one I drove didn’t have it & felt really good.
I’m a pretty big guy & those suede covered seats feel pretty good

The 650/650 +10sp A/T ain’t bad either

Zingston · 09-08-2019, 03:45 PM

I don't really care if Infinity closes shop... I've never really been a fan. To be honest, besides the GTR and Z, I don't really give a rat's narrow aZZ about nissan either. Just keepin' it real, yo.

ImportConvert · 09-08-2019, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zingston

I don't really care if Infinity closes shop... I've never really been a fan. To be honest, besides the GTR and Z, I don't really give a rat's narrow aZZ about nissan either. Just keepin' it real, yo.

The GTR is the only competitive product Nissan makes on paper, but the Rogue sure sells well.

Desert Rat · 09-25-2019, 04:01 PM

CVTs and their associated reliability issues will sink Nissan. CVTs are NOT the future, as evidenced by EVERY other manufacturer going to more speeds in their autos (8 speeds, 10 speeds, etc).

Every automotive forum I frequent makes mention of how poor Nissan quality has been since they went all in on CVTs. I still own a couple Nissans...my manual Z, and a '17 Frontier with the 5 speed auto (which we bought because it's so much cheaper than a Tacoma). Frontiers haven't changed since 2005, so for those bitching about the produce cycle in the Z, the Frontier is 4 years worse than that.

The first gen Titans lasted 10 years longer than they should have as well. The big 3 updates their big pickups every 3-4 years now. Nissan and Toyota lag way behind that, and their sales show it.

Nissan lost me as a customer. Both the ones I have now I bought as 2 year old used vehicles. Then again, I think buying new is for chumps anyways. I try to let someone else take the big depreciation hit for driving a vehicle off the lot and I'll get them 2 years into it on a private party sale with no sales tax, doc fees, and all that other crap dealerships charge.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-25-2019, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Desert Rat

CVTs and their associated reliability issues will sink Nissan. CVTs are NOT the future, as evidenced by EVERY other manufacturer going to more speeds in their autos (8 speeds, 10 speeds, etc).

Every automotive forum I frequent makes mention of how poor Nissan quality has been since they went all in on CVTs. I still own a couple Nissans...my manual Z, and a '17 Frontier with the 5 speed auto (which we bought because it's so much cheaper than a Tacoma). Frontiers haven't changed since 2005, so for those bitching about the produce cycle in the Z, the Frontier is 4 years worse than that.

The first gen Titans lasted 10 years longer than they should have as well. The big 3 updates their big pickups every 3-4 years now. Nissan and Toyota lag way behind that, and their sales show it.

Nissan lost me as a customer. Both the ones I have now I bought as 2 year old used vehicles. Then again, I think buying new is for chumps anyways. I try to let someone else take the big depreciation hit for driving a vehicle off the lot and I'll get them 2 years into it on a private party sale with no sales tax, doc fees, and all that other crap dealerships charge.

Tptally agree on the CVT. Frontiers are great trucks. They were a great value in their hay day.

But ummm. if it wasnt for new car buyers. Companies wouldnt bother designing the hot cars the depreciation kings love to buy. Used car buyers dont contribute financially to the growth of a company. New car purchases is what aftermarket parts companies use to decide who is getting lots of mods and whose only getting 2 coilovers & couple intake exhaust mods.

I dont have nothing against a used car purchase. I've done it. But calling them chumps is biting the hand that fed you a $15,000 refund and loads of mods to choose from.

ImportConvert · 09-26-2019, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond

Reading through this is interesting; as the Z34 chassis is a great design...Nissan needs to do something to rejuvenate the Z.
I’m finding myself at a crossroad to either build up an older Z34, at a cost of

Or jump in a very comfortable driving coupe like the ZL1

I’m not much interested in the max-track-package; as the one I drove didn’t have it & felt really good.
I’m a pretty big guy & those suede covered seats feel pretty good

The 650/650 +10sp A/T ain’t bad either

I always buy factory. If it's not fast or whatever enough OEM, then you bought the wrong vehicle.

ImportConvert · 09-26-2019, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desert Rat

CVTs and their associated reliability issues will sink Nissan. CVTs are NOT the future, as evidenced by EVERY other manufacturer going to more speeds in their autos (8 speeds, 10 speeds, etc).

Every automotive forum I frequent makes mention of how poor Nissan quality has been since they went all in on CVTs. I still own a couple Nissans...my manual Z, and a '17 Frontier with the 5 speed auto (which we bought because it's so much cheaper than a Tacoma). Frontiers haven't changed since 2005, so for those bitching about the produce cycle in the Z, the Frontier is 4 years worse than that.

The first gen Titans lasted 10 years longer than they should have as well. The big 3 updates their big pickups every 3-4 years now. Nissan and Toyota lag way behind that, and their sales show it.

Nissan lost me as a customer. Both the ones I have now I bought as 2 year old used vehicles. Then again, I think buying new is for chumps anyways. I try to let someone else take the big depreciation hit for driving a vehicle off the lot and I'll get them 2 years into it on a private party sale with no sales tax, doc fees, and all that other crap dealerships charge.

Agreed. My 370z ownership is why I'll never have another Nissan in the garage. "Chrysler of Japan" is what other forums call Nissan. Shame, because some of their vehicles would be awesome with a bit more quality or not a cvt, or whatever other thing

Spartan 1771 · 09-26-2019, 10:26 AM

I just picked up a 2018 Murano SL a few months ago. Got it with 12,000 miles on it and I love it. Bang for the buck was much better then anything else out there in the class. Time will tell how it stands up, but I'm hoping it will be like the 2005 Sentra I just got rid of. That thing wouldn't die.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-07-2019, 10:00 PM

Infiniti's Ship Is Sinking - If You Were In Charge Of The Luxury Brand What Would You Do To Turn It Around? - AutoSpies Auto News

For one... I would've not killed the skyline name. Instead I would've made the skyline official in the US as an infiniti.

Two... I would've MADE SURE the Q60 car that should be named the skyline... had all the proper performance to be competitive with the Cadillac ats and alfa romeo giulia.

Three. I would have gone to a HP DCT for the skyline.

4. I would have never attempted to make a luxury car with a CVT

5. I would have made a high performance Qx30.

6. I would have evolved the interior of the Q70 3 years ago and it would be getting another evolution now along with the body.

7. I would've made an infiniti lux sport hot hatch for 40k.

8. Push bargain leases on base models.

9. Make sure my car designs cross generations.

10. Not make electric cars my main focus. Focus on the current markets needs.

Ventruck · 10-08-2019, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

8. Push bargain leases on base models.

I think this is the real make-or-break we didn't quite see Infiniti exercise.

It could've either drawn more people to the brand, or make it look cheap(er).

Yet evidently a lot of people bought IS250's and the like.

And with that, I would've shot for a better competitor to the F-Sport line. If memory serves right, the F-Sport really isn't a major jump mechanically. Mainly some suspension and more prominently, looks — inside and out. Casual buyers eat that like cereal, and Lexus played that smart. Aesthetic and face value impressions go a longer way for net sales.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-08-2019, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

I think this is the real make-or-break we didn't quite see Infiniti exercise.

It could've either drawn more people to the brand, or make it look cheap(er).

Yet evidently a lot of people bought IS250's and the like.

And with that, I would've shot for a better competitor to the F-Sport line. If memory serves right, the F-Sport really isn't a major jump mechanically. Mainly some suspension and more prominently, looks — inside and out. Casual buyers eat that like cereal, and Lexus played that smart. Aesthetic and face value impressions go a longer way for net sales.

I thought F sports are doing terrible as well?

Ventruck · 10-08-2019, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I thought F sports are doing terrible as well?

Maybe I missed the absolute numbers, but at least in California/Bay Area, I a observing see F-Sport Lexus models outnumber recent Q-series Infiniti's. I mean we're talking even 250's and CT's, and then the crossovers — whichever of the UX/RX/etc carry the badge, over any Infiniti QX/FX models.

Actually, it would appear a good share the Q-series cars I see are rentals.

09-07-2019, 04:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18754	Not to fuel the Hyundai, Kia flames 😆 but we’ve had a couple of Kia’s in my state just go up in flames while driving. Resulting severe lifetime burn disability and injuries for a couple of people. Apparently, we’re not the only state it’s happening in. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...dai-kia-fires/ As a current and happy owner of a M2, I like what Unknown said about the Z above. Even out the weight between front & rear, but they also need to update it. A turbo six is the first must in the update, improve your electric steering feel and keep a manual trans option. But don’t you ever turbo 4 it Nissan, that’s just financial suicide. If Nissan would do the above. And I’ve given this a lot of thought because I was thinking about this before I purchased the M2. Buy a Porsche 718 (but the turbo 4 turned me off), and get a Leaf as my practical needs, no gas car. I’m willing to sell the M2 and still do this if Nissan came out with a really good Z. UNKNOWN_370, Spartan 1771 and NissanFreak81 like this.

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,190 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	Infiniti is closing up shop in Australia. https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...8a369ecd01339f __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

09-07-2019, 10:24 PM	#34 (permalink)
jchammond A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Carolina Age: 58 Posts: 15,204 Drives: 13’ 370Z TS 7A/T Rep Power: 2684395	Reading through this is interesting; as the Z34 chassis is a great design...Nissan needs to do something to rejuvenate the Z. I’m finding myself at a crossroad to either build up an older Z34, at a cost of Or jump in a very comfortable driving coupe like the ZL1 I’m not much interested in the max-track-package; as the one I drove didn’t have it & felt really good. I’m a pretty big guy & those suede covered seats feel pretty good The 650/650 +10sp A/T ain’t bad either UNKNOWN_370, danegrey and old guy like this. __________________ MazWorx built long block \| FI-TT-100 Stage 2.75 \| IPT built 7A/T http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...s-musings.html

09-08-2019, 03:45 PM	#35 (permalink)
Zingston A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 4,028 Drives: like it's a rental. Rep Power: 2684370	I don't really care if Infinity closes shop... I've never really been a fan. To be honest, besides the GTR and Z, I don't really give a rat's narrow aZZ about nissan either. Just keepin' it real, yo. FL 4Motion, osbornsm, Firebase99 and 3 others like this.

09-25-2019, 04:01 PM	#37 (permalink)
Desert Rat Base Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 189 Drives: 2014 370Z M6 Base Rep Power: 3365	CVTs and their associated reliability issues will sink Nissan. CVTs are NOT the future, as evidenced by EVERY other manufacturer going to more speeds in their autos (8 speeds, 10 speeds, etc). Every automotive forum I frequent makes mention of how poor Nissan quality has been since they went all in on CVTs. I still own a couple Nissans...my manual Z, and a '17 Frontier with the 5 speed auto (which we bought because it's so much cheaper than a Tacoma). Frontiers haven't changed since 2005, so for those bitching about the produce cycle in the Z, the Frontier is 4 years worse than that. The first gen Titans lasted 10 years longer than they should have as well. The big 3 updates their big pickups every 3-4 years now. Nissan and Toyota lag way behind that, and their sales show it. Nissan lost me as a customer. Both the ones I have now I bought as 2 year old used vehicles. Then again, I think buying new is for chumps anyways. I try to let someone else take the big depreciation hit for driving a vehicle off the lot and I'll get them 2 years into it on a private party sale with no sales tax, doc fees, and all that other crap dealerships charge. Zingston likes this.

09-26-2019, 10:26 AM	#41 (permalink)
Spartan 1771 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Maryland Posts: 1,280 Drives: Wife crazy & 09 370Z Rep Power: 105454	I just picked up a 2018 Murano SL a few months ago. Got it with 12,000 miles on it and I love it. Bang for the buck was much better then anything else out there in the class. Time will tell how it stands up, but I'm hoping it will be like the 2005 Sentra I just got rid of. That thing wouldn't die. __________________ ~Rob -DD Air Guide, Stillen G3 CAIs, 63mm Throttle Bodies, Motordyne M370, Berk HFCs, FI TDX CBE (non-res, CF), Sprint booster v3, Ecutek Dyno Tuned, and the list goes on...

10-07-2019, 10:00 PM	#42 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Article asks what I would have done to save INFINITI Infiniti's Ship Is Sinking - If You Were In Charge Of The Luxury Brand What Would You Do To Turn It Around? - AutoSpies Auto News For one... I would've not killed the skyline name. Instead I would've made the skyline official in the US as an infiniti. Two... I would've MADE SURE the Q60 car that should be named the skyline... had all the proper performance to be competitive with the Cadillac ats and alfa romeo giulia. Three. I would have gone to a HP DCT for the skyline. 4. I would have never attempted to make a luxury car with a CVT 5. I would have made a high performance Qx30. 6. I would have evolved the interior of the Q70 3 years ago and it would be getting another evolution now along with the body. 7. I would've made an infiniti lux sport hot hatch for 40k. 8. Push bargain leases on base models. 9. Make sure my car designs cross generations. 10. Not make electric cars my main focus. Focus on the current markets needs. osbornsm and Rusty like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 10-08-2019 at 03:10 AM.

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