Camaro gets a refresh after 1year.

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The ridiculous looking front end plummeted sales of the 2019 camaro. So Chevy fixed it.

Also there's a new LT1 V8 starting at $35k for a budget SS with some hierarchy high point like optional recaro seats.

IMO The 1LE and ZL1 remains king and queen. The first "Spuscle Cars" in history

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BobDigi5060

Aren't you the guy that traded your Z for an SS? How's it holding up? Isn't the visibility worse than the Z? I enjoyed that thread, but couldn't find it just now.

Never got around to owning a Z, but I have a 4runner, G37X for the wife, and 03 G35 for my daily driving. As much as I like the Z, I can't justify trading my G37X for one. I plan on keeping both Gs as the 03 is fun and not worth much and getting a 6th gen Camaro or Corvette.

Anyways, I like this new design. As ridiculous as the 2018 looked, there are uglier cars out there (Alpha Romeos for exmaple).

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Yeah I did. It's holding up way better than I thought it would. No creaks or rattles. No orange peel in the paint. The underbody is clad with shielding and bracing. And that's just the regular SS. (Though I have a 1LE suspension upgrade) The brakes are solid... The handling is just shocking. I'm 20k miles in an I am just blown away at how I can take corners and hit chicanes. It's light on it's feet for what it is... Hard to imagine putting ZL1 power to use. Stock power is already pretty ridiculous. I get 30mpg on highway when on cruise. About 16mpg in town driving semi aggressive. And visibility is EXACTLY like the Z. No different. There are improvents to visibility from the last gen car. Also the rear feels smaller than the camaro 5. So you have a better sense of where the azs is in traffic. If you position all the mirrors in the same fashion as the Z you can see everything behind you. BSM is also a reliable and excellent feature to help mitigate blind spot insecurity. My biggest gripe is the plastic is easy to scratch n the cell phone charger is bullshyt. Other than that... I'm thoroughly impressed. It really drives like a Z except faster with an adrenaline rush level of torque. The camaro bucks hard with torque in gears 2 thru 4at around 3000rpm range. If torque scares you shift AR 2k or 4k. Cuz 3k will push your back into your seat. At WOT. The transmission sounds like a DCT. The shift speed is unbelievable. But at the paddle there's a slight lag between your pull and shift response. But the upshift sound and transition is exactly like a dual clutch. I think I need to upgrade the transmission wire gauge to get a better paddle to shift reaction. I fixed the same problem in the Z with the same mod.

The only thing I miss about the Z is the size and uniqueness. But the SS and ZL1 crew is a lot smaller than the turbo and v6 crew. So in the camaro world we're not an everyday sight. Especially a ZL1. That's hella exclusive and when I see ONE in the wild I get a hard on. It just looks like such a beast. But if I ever bought a ZL1? It'll be because of looks! I'm really satisfied with 460hp. And I have plans for full bolt ins soon? So it will be around 550hp when I'm done. That's plenty enough.

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markesc

ZL-1 for $45k used > this new supra.

ZL-1 has all the cooling setup from the factory, unlike how the Z lacks cooling, and the new supra will need cooling upgrades once people start tuning them.

zeeder

It seems to me that the ZL1 coolers are the exact same as tuners adding them to the Supra. The ZL1 is a factory tuner car, after all.

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Saw this article on the 4 banger camaro. The slept on version of the trio of engines. 3300lbs with 275hp on the stiffer production chassis out right now aside from the vette.

https://gmauthority-com.cdn.ampproje...first-drive%2F

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BobDigi5060

I'd be happy with a base model. I saw some 4 bangers for as low as $17k and a handful under $21k. I frequent the different sections of Camaro6 and really like the 4 bangers and LT1.

In six months from now my wife is handing over the G37 to me and it will be my new DD (gonna park and keep the G35 at my mom's house lol). I'd love to get a Z, but it's outdated. Plus I have the same motor in my G so I can't justify having a G37 and Z. Don't want to part ways with my G37X. I've considered an STi (drove a stage 2 04 for almost 4 years before it was stolen), but the vQ37HR even in stock form has more top end than my turboback stage 2 STi did. Before talking my Dad into co-signing for that sti convinced him to buy me a new 05 s2k. Great car, but once I drove an STi I wanted one.

I feel the next car has to either be new or a JDM import. The new 2020 bare bones V8 Camaro is my top choice for a new ride. I'd love a BRZ, used Z, STi, but sense I will be disappointed because they are at the same level power wise (BRZ is down on power actually) as the G37.

I owned a four eyed 5.0 Foxbody (1986) for half of 2008. Hatchback, full exhaust, white and grey. Sold it for $200 less than I bought it. The new owner manual swapped it and sold it soon after. I miss that thing as much as the STi. Most of all, that blood curdling howl of the 302.

The Camaro seems to have an old school V8 like that 5.0. I'm also a fan of NASA CMC as my buddy back then use to race a 3rd gen. If or when I get a Camaro you guys will be some of the first people to know. As much as I'd like a C6, the next car has to be new. I owe it to myself.

So many nice cars out there, but you can't have them all

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If they had this option when I bought mine? I mighta went with it. The LT1 engine is probably the best affordable performance engine out there... And to have it at $35k? It's downright shameful. But a benefit for guys who could only afford a v6 camaro. An LT1 with a 1LE pkg gets in the door for $40k and you will tear up everybody sitting at 40k. No survivors allowed. Those thinking muscle on the cheap. Test drive this bad boy!!

https://gmauthority-com.cdn.ampproje...o-lt-and-ss%2F

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Falconquey

Man! And now there going to cancel production of the Camaro. GM sure can be idiotic at times!

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That's a rumor. When GM was asked they didn't confirm or deny the rumor... I think it was started to ramp up sales to be honest. But if they do cancel the Camaro again? That would be kinda shitty. Especially now because the Corvette is mid engined now... it gives Chevy a chance to go crazy with a next gen Camaro. This generation is bananas though. The power and performance technology is gonna be a challenge to top so easily. I think the next gen has to be more about introducing a revolutionary design. We'll see what happens? Usually by this time there would be some type of hype over the next gen... If we dont hear anything by June 2020? This rumor will probably hold true?

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Zingston

I would think they'd give the exterior another redesign before killing it... See how that influences sales numbers. They've certainly got the rest in order. But it is GM we're talking about...

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Chevy only delayed the Camaro. Thankfully... I'm not even mad though if you really think about it.... Let's do a Chevy Enthusiast checklist.

Precursor.
We get the Chevy SS sleeper
We get the C7 in 2013
We get the Z06 in 2014
We get the Grand sport in 2016
We get the ZR1 in 2017

1. 2015 CAMARO 6 drops...
2. 2016 1LE drops on scene
3. The ZL1 drops
4. 2017 ZL1 1LE drops
2017. V6 1LE drops
Chevy SS sleeper cancelled cuz lack of true car enthusiasts...
5. 2018 the 2.0 1le drops
6. 2018. Camaro refresh.
Transmission upgrade
Needed Mylink 2 upgrade
7. 2019. Fix bombed Camaro refresh
LT1 SS Affordable sleeper csmaro v8 drops.

Not to mention Anniversary, redline, hotwheels and like 3 other special editions that have dropped.
On track warranty

Mid engine Corvette is now a reality.
Z28 chatter is starting.

I mean GM has their issues like most subpremium car companies... but I feel they've done more to serve then enthusiast market than any other company right now. Actually Dodge is about tied.

Even a 4 banger Camaro is a quick and nimble car.

I'm sure the delay has a lot to do with serving the enthusiast market with tremendous performance options yet sales are sluggish at the time they drop the most anticipated car in history. The C8 mid engined vette

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Camaro Updated:

What's Really Going On With The Future Chevrolet Camaro | GM Authority

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About a year ago, GM stated that no matter their interest in EV. They will still be competitive in the muscle car arena. I hope this is true? At best there might be ev versions of Corvette and Camaro while still maintaining v8 power? That's how they once talked???

I'm going to put faith that GM will listen to enthusiasts like they did with camaros 5 and 6 and do what customers want?

Lastly, I'm sick of companies like GM Porsche and Nisssn pushing the EV agenda on as crowd that doesn't want EV.
Corporate Fvckin Fascists!!!

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Zingston

I agree! F that!!!