Camaro gets a refresh after 1year.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-03-2019, 07:49 AM

https://carbuzz.com/news/chevy-camar...n-to-celebrate

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-09-2019, 04:16 PM

https://youtu.be/HPK6N1mKcck

Looking at this overview of the camaro ss LT1. I believe this car is a major major win.
Iij didnt really put into perspective that cost is a major factor of why the SS is the loser in sales. It just seems all the v8 muscle cars seem expensive until you start nitpicking features. You can get a lot of cheat sub models at a fairly good deal in challenger's and mustang's.

But drive for drive. The Camaro is by far the superior drive. It's not even close. It's so good that I can see why all the whiny babies can do is talk about visibility and price cuz theres nothing u can say bad once you open this thing up.
Not having the MRC seems like you're losing out. But not really. You're still getting 1.1 g on the skid pad and it's a solid handler as well.
A suspension upgrade of about $1600 will get u at MRC level or maybe even better?(till u hit 1LE)

The 1LT doesnt have 4 piston FRONTS but the fronts are the meat of it all. I agree with this video about dual mode if you dont just go aftermarket which may be better? But a good camaro exhaust is about $1700 so the dual mode for $900 might do well with a secondary cat delete. You wont get staggered tires and all seasons but I promise you. All season Michelin PS3AS PLUS tires are the best as tires I've ever driven. The drive like summer tires and the added value of being able to rotate for longevity is an awesome incentive. You can get double the life. A solid year if you rotate and drive aggressive. If you're relatively calm. You can get up to 2 years of life on a non staggered set up. I burn out my rears every 5 months and about 7,000 miles. Those are as tires. Summers I burn in 5 months.
Mind you... this is not a ZL1. Something to think about.

I implore anyone to take a serious look at the camaro driving experience as a sports car. Once you get past at the monstrous width and low visibility. Its unbelievable what you can accomplish for a car this size.

Lastly. None of these things affect you on a track. The visibility means nothing. If you are looking for a powerhouse affordable car.
460lbs of stock torque is loads. And a basic intake and exhaust takes your brake horsepower and converts it to rear wheel horsepower without a tune. The possibilities are endless.

Enjoy.

ZCanadian · 09-09-2019, 04:37 PM

I agree that this car is a beast.
If GM wants to re-design it, this is because posers want a different look and not because the capability is in any way lacking.

If it weren't for the weight and front engine, I would have considered one for the track. It's still way faster than my 4C, but I get forever out of a set of brake pads and tires compared to my Camaro friends. The Camaro's use of consumables is typical of almost any normal high HP street car on track - I'm just spoiled, is all!

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-16-2019, 09:40 PM

Just thought I'd share. I covered 260 highway miles with 9.3 gallons of premium fuel on cruise control at 88mph. That would mean about 1 tank can get me up to 520 miles. Probably more if I maintained 70 or 75 mph.

I think that's pretty impressive considering Im now pumping 504 bhp out my car.

Falconquey · 09-17-2019, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Just thought I'd share. I covered 260 highway miles with 9.3 gallons of premium fuel on cruise control at 88mph. That would mean about 1 tank can get me up to 520 miles. Probably more if I maintained 70 or 75 mph.

I think that's pretty impressive considering Im now pumping 504 bhp out my car.

That's great... If it really happened.

JARblue · 09-17-2019, 09:50 AM

Rode in my buddy's new Camaro RS. I didn't think it was possible but it has worse visibility than the Z. The front windshield is so small, I couldn't even see the stop lights unless we were at least 3-4 cars back. And that was once I lowered the seat as much as it would go. I can't imagine driving that car for a daily...

JARblue · 09-17-2019, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Just thought I'd share. I covered 260 highway miles with 9.3 gallons of premium fuel on cruise control at 88mph. That would mean about 1 tank can get me up to 520 miles. Probably more if I maintained 70 or 75 mph.

I think that's pretty impressive considering Im now pumping 504 bhp out my car.

How big is the tank? I've gotten over 500 miles on a tank in the Z before. Came out to nearly 28 mpg.

edit... I see it's about the same size tank. And there's no way I could set cruise near 90 in the Z and get that. I would fully expect to see the mileage you're seeing the Camaro. More powerful engine = greater efficiency (that is... as long as you can keep your foot out of it).

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-17-2019, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

How big is the tank? I've gotten over 500 miles on a tank in the Z before. Came out to nearly 28 mpg.

edit... I see it's about the same size tank. And there's no way I could set cruise near 90 in the Z and get that. I would fully expect to see the mileage you're seeing the Camaro. More powerful engine = greater efficiency (that is... as long as you can keep your foot out of it).

When I had my Z cruise would get my about 24mpg doing 70mph The Z didnt like texas summers to much. Come fall and the Z would perk up all the way thru spring. In the summer it would feel like I lost 40hp. My mpg would increase by 2mpg in the fall

jchammond · 09-17-2019, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Rode in my buddy's new Camaro RS. I didn't think it was possible but it has worse visibility than the Z. The front windshield is so small, I couldn't even see the stop lights unless we were at least 3-4 cars back. And that was once I lowered the seat as much as it would go. I can't imagine driving that car for a daily...

This 2020 model drove pretty dang good, week before last

Being nearly 6’6” & 275, those suede leather seats were very comfy.

jchammond · 09-17-2019, 08:20 PM

And I could see just fine; blind spots are similar to the Z...but I was looking straight ahead

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-18-2019, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond

And I could see just fine; blind spots are similar to the Z...but I was looking straight ahead

The camaro 5 on the other hand. The rear was too wide compared to the mirror and the extra 2 inches of rear just made that car difficult to drive. The 6 is way better than the 5.

I'll agree without BSM, Both Camaro and Z are about equal visibility. The 6 has perfect dimensions now. It's what the 5 shouldve been.
With BSM on the camaro. It makes the camaro easier to drive than even the Z. Not to mention our 8.4" backup camera screen.

I never been in a GREAT sports car with GREAT visibility. It's almost an oxymoron to have both. I drove that Ferrari with poor visibility and I wasnt even thinking about visibility. With both Z and camaro or any truly amazing sports car. Adjust the mirrors and you're fine.

ZCanadian · 09-18-2019, 12:14 PM

agree - if you are buying a sports car, then visibility is way down the list of wants.
OTOH, the Camaro is quite OK as a daily driver, and if you are buying it for that purpose, then practicality / safety considerations like outward visibility become more key.

That's the problem when a model tries to be all things to all people. It usually fails at some, and gets lambasted for it.

If the car is designed as a pure sports car, then nobody seems to understand that those are NOT meant for practicality. So they get pilloried by the press as well.

Seems that manufacturers cannot really win on this. Still, I'd rather my "sports car" entry be panned for something like this, than for performance or driving dynamics any day!

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-18-2019, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

agree - if you are buying a sports car, then visibility is way down the list of wants.
OTOH, the Camaro is quite OK as a daily driver, and if you are buying it for that purpose, then practicality / safety considerations like outward visibility become more key.

That's the problem when a model tries to be all things to all people. It usually fails at some, and gets lambasted for it.

If the car is designed as a pure sports car, then nobody seems to understand that those are NOT meant for practicality. So they get pilloried by the press as well.

Seems that manufacturers cannot really win on this. Still, I'd rather my "sports car" entry be panned for something like this, than for performance or driving dynamics any day!

Definitely. I daily my camaro. But at 36k. It will be my weekend car if I just dont jump into a C8? So 9k to go. Its practical for what it is yet has the driving dynamics of a dedicated sports car. To compare it to the best muscle car in the game. The GTR. the Camaro has the one thing the GTR is missing! That the Z has!!!! The camaro feels really hunkered down. You feel like you're in a cave. I personally like that feeling. And my next sports car has to provide me that feeling. That's how in my book. Mustang and challenger lose. You dont feel as planted into the car as you do a camaro or Z.
The corvette alfa 4c and lotus evora do a great job at giving you a hunkered down feeling as well.

Spooler · 09-18-2019, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond

This 2020 model drove pretty dang good, week before last

Being nearly 6’6” & 275, those suede leather seats were very comfy.

When are you gonna get it tight wad????

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-18-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

When are you gonna get it tight wad????

Rent it. Peep the stats at Hertz.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...k-motorsports/

09-03-2019, 07:49 AM	#31 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	New ecu tune for traction off drag race mode for elsd https://carbuzz.com/news/chevy-camar...n-to-celebrate __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

09-09-2019, 04:16 PM	#32 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	https://youtu.be/HPK6N1mKcck Looking at this overview of the camaro ss LT1. I believe this car is a major major win. Iij didnt really put into perspective that cost is a major factor of why the SS is the loser in sales. It just seems all the v8 muscle cars seem expensive until you start nitpicking features. You can get a lot of cheat sub models at a fairly good deal in challenger's and mustang's. But drive for drive. The Camaro is by far the superior drive. It's not even close. It's so good that I can see why all the whiny babies can do is talk about visibility and price cuz theres nothing u can say bad once you open this thing up. Not having the MRC seems like you're losing out. But not really. You're still getting 1.1 g on the skid pad and it's a solid handler as well. A suspension upgrade of about $1600 will get u at MRC level or maybe even better?(till u hit 1LE) The 1LT doesnt have 4 piston FRONTS but the fronts are the meat of it all. I agree with this video about dual mode if you dont just go aftermarket which may be better? But a good camaro exhaust is about $1700 so the dual mode for $900 might do well with a secondary cat delete. You wont get staggered tires and all seasons but I promise you. All season Michelin PS3AS PLUS tires are the best as tires I've ever driven. The drive like summer tires and the added value of being able to rotate for longevity is an awesome incentive. You can get double the life. A solid year if you rotate and drive aggressive. If you're relatively calm. You can get up to 2 years of life on a non staggered set up. I burn out my rears every 5 months and about 7,000 miles. Those are as tires. Summers I burn in 5 months. Mind you... this is not a ZL1. Something to think about. I implore anyone to take a serious look at the camaro driving experience as a sports car. Once you get past at the monstrous width and low visibility. Its unbelievable what you can accomplish for a car this size. Lastly. None of these things affect you on a track. The visibility means nothing. If you are looking for a powerhouse affordable car. 460lbs of stock torque is loads. And a basic intake and exhaust takes your brake horsepower and converts it to rear wheel horsepower without a tune. The possibilities are endless. Enjoy. ZCanadian likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 09-09-2019 at 05:49 PM.

09-09-2019, 04:37 PM	#33 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,061 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60273	I agree that this car is a beast. If GM wants to re-design it, this is because posers want a different look and not because the capability is in any way lacking. If it weren't for the weight and front engine, I would have considered one for the track. It's still way faster than my 4C, but I get forever out of a set of brake pads and tires compared to my Camaro friends. The Camaro's use of consumables is typical of almost any normal high HP street car on track - I'm just spoiled, is all! UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

09-16-2019, 09:40 PM	#34 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Just thought I'd share. I covered 260 highway miles with 9.3 gallons of premium fuel on cruise control at 88mph. That would mean about 1 tank can get me up to 520 miles. Probably more if I maintained 70 or 75 mph. I think that's pretty impressive considering Im now pumping 504 bhp out my car. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

09-17-2019, 09:50 AM	#36 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	Rode in my buddy's new Camaro RS. I didn't think it was possible but it has worse visibility than the Z. The front windshield is so small, I couldn't even see the stop lights unless we were at least 3-4 cars back. And that was once I lowered the seat as much as it would go. I can't imagine driving that car for a daily... FL 4Motion likes this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

09-17-2019, 08:20 PM	#40 (permalink)
jchammond A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Carolina Age: 58 Posts: 15,204 Drives: 13’ 370Z TS 7A/T Rep Power: 2684395	And I could see just fine; blind spots are similar to the Z...but I was looking straight ahead UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ MazWorx built long block \| FI-TT-100 Stage 2.75 \| IPT built 7A/T http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...s-musings.html

09-18-2019, 12:14 PM	#42 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,061 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60273	agree - if you are buying a sports car, then visibility is way down the list of wants. OTOH, the Camaro is quite OK as a daily driver, and if you are buying it for that purpose, then practicality / safety considerations like outward visibility become more key. That's the problem when a model tries to be all things to all people. It usually fails at some, and gets lambasted for it. If the car is designed as a pure sports car, then nobody seems to understand that those are NOT meant for practicality. So they get pilloried by the press as well. Seems that manufacturers cannot really win on this. Still, I'd rather my "sports car" entry be panned for something like this, than for performance or driving dynamics any day! UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

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