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ZCanadian 02-28-2019 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3829358)
:iagree::iagree:

Buy Corvette and Porsche their support for racing is impeccable!
Nissan??? ...I start to question them now...9 years still no new Z...hmm.. they rather sell Sentras to the market. Money comes first...bad business model for an enthusiast!
"Not making money" is a better business model?

Porsche is an SUV company - more than 50% sales come from Macan/Cayenne. To me, this is a GOOD thing, because it allows them money to build the 911 without just re-badging VW / Audi parts and changing the body panels up.

Although I agree it would be nice to see a new Z. But naturally aspirated, with an available manual transmission and at a reasonable price. For the expected sales volumes such a car would generate, it's not very likely.

Current Z is still a good alternative in its market. Could use a refresh, and more torque. Maybe a weight-loss diet. But it does look unique and good, and performs pretty much as it says on the tin.

Zoren 370 02-28-2019 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3829477)
"Not making money" is a better business model?


Who said that statement of yours? As far as I know its you..not me...
Porsche is a SUV company? Hmm..:rolleyes:

Where you born in the 80’s? Then I understand you.

The reason why Nissan dropped the Z project is because the sports car market are for select few or nitch market there is no money into it.

Thus 9 going 10 years no new Z!

Toyota would not even spend millions of dollars to properly R&D a new supra legendary engine because its not worth the investment and returns is very little or none.

What Im saying..the two brands I mentioned the Corvette and Porsche 911 even these cars are not the revenue flagship of the company they still infuse money through thier racing program to keep the small select race car enthusiasts alive.

Thus I for one a company that loves a sports car enthusiast and supports racing is a plus in my record books.
A company with racing program that is passionate with racing they dont talk about profits they are more concerned about the prestige of winning.

Thats all...has nothing to do with your Porsche SUV lol. If you have one.

UNKNOWN_370 03-01-2019 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3829358)
:iagree::iagree:

Buy Corvette and Porsche their support for racing is impeccable!
Nissan??? ...I start to question them now...9 years still no new Z...hmm.. they rather sell Sentras to the market. Money comes first...bad business model for an enthusiast!
Actually in model years we are 10 years in. It's sad. The amount of updates have been vague for the amount of time. But it could be worse. There could be no 370z. I feel more comfortable knowing they haven't fully given up even though their effort are total crap. GEEZ.

But I totally feel your sentiment.

Zingston 03-01-2019 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3829768)
Actually in model years we are 10 years in. It's sad. The amount of updates have been vague for the amount of time. But it could be worse. There could be no 370z. I feel more comfortable knowing they haven't fully given up even though their effort are total crap. GEEZ.

But I totally feel your sentiment.


Even ten years in without an update, I think I'd probably still buy another Z if I were just looking at the value proposition. Hard to beat what it offers at that price vs the competition.

And yes, no Z would be so much worse!

Zoren 370 03-01-2019 01:35 PM
You see even our moderators and AK has abandoned this forum as Nissan has no further plans of keeping the Z heritage alive.

To them they already given us a Z car to enjoy!

Who know they might follow Toyota to design a new car and get an engine from Renult!


Yayks!! A french bulldog crossed with a sushi salmon!

ZCanadian 03-01-2019 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3829665)
Who said that statement of yours? As far as I know its you..not me...
Well, you said that making money was a "bad business model"..."for an enthusiast. I'll agree with the last bit, but the enthusiast market isn't particularly profitable. Catering to money-losing segments exclusively is not a sound business model. Making a better Z will never sell more Altimas or Pathfinders! Touting the performance of the 911's will sell more Macans, which finances better 911's.

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3829665)
Porsche is a SUV company? Hmm..:rolleyes:
..."Sales growth was driven mainly by the success of Porsche’s SUV models. For yet another year the most sold Porsche globally was the Macan with 86,031 vehicles followed closely by the Cayenne with 71,458 deliveries. Next is the Panamera which recorded the strongest growth year-over-year of 38 percent with 38,443 sales. Last but not least, the 911 also recorded double-digit rise - 35,573 sales or 10 percent more than 2017." They left out the Cayman/Boxter twins, which by the math (they quote a total) were 24,750 units.
SOURCE: https://www.motor1.com/news/300557/p...g-models-2018/
And
https://press.porsche.com/prod/press...rsionid=876995

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3829665)
Where you born in the 80’s? Then I understand you.
Nope, I was ancient already then...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3829665)
The reason why Nissan dropped the Z project is because the sports car market are for select few or nitch market there is no money into it.

Thus 9 going 10 years no new Z!

Toyota would not even spend millions of dollars to properly R&D a new supra legendary engine because its not worth the investment and returns is very little or none.

What Im saying..the two brands I mentioned the Corvette and Porsche 911 even these cars are not the revenue flagship of the company they still infuse money through thier racing program to keep the small select race car enthusiasts alive.
Chevy's race program is in the Camaro. The Vette is secondary, and benefits from some shared bits. But it is the Vette that is seen as their premier sports offering.

As for Nissan, three letters for you. GTR. The 370Z is neither a halo car or sport car flagship for Nissan. The Z car heritage lost its cachet two generations ago. Now, it's just another mature market car that still rakes in enough cash for them not to shut the production line down. It fills a spot in the Toyota 86 segment. Just like there is a NISMO Juke, it is prostituting a badge for profit. And the GTR isn't what it once was, either.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3829665)
Thus I for one a company that loves a sports car enthusiast and supports racing is a plus in my record books.
A company with racing program that is passionate with racing they dont talk about profits they are more concerned about the prestige of winning.

Thats all...has nothing to do with your Porsche SUV lol. If you have one.
Then buy and Alfa Romeo! ;-)

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3829816)
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Who know they might follow Toyota to design a new car and get an engine from Renult!


Yayks!! A french bulldog crossed with a sushi salmon!
Are you referring to the Nissan / Renault alliance there? LOL

Nissan, if they continue to work so closely with Renault and Mitsubishi, will almost certainly start sharing platforms and drive train components.

sx moneypit 03-01-2019 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3829771)
Even ten years in without an update, I think I'd probably still buy another Z if I were just looking at the value proposition. Hard to beat what it offers at that price vs the competition.

And yes, no Z would be so much worse!
:iagree:

Zoren 370 03-01-2019 06:46 PM
:tiphat:
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Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3829838)
Well, you said that making money was a "bad business model"..."for an enthusiast. I'll agree with the last bit, but the enthusiast market isn't particularly profitable. Catering to money-losing segments exclusively is not a sound business model. Making a better Z will never sell more Altimas or Pathfinders! Touting the performance of the 911's will sell more Macans, which finances better 911's.



..."Sales growth was driven mainly by the success of Porsche’s SUV models. For yet another year the most sold Porsche globally was the Macan with 86,031 vehicles followed closely by the Cayenne with 71,458 deliveries. Next is the Panamera which recorded the strongest growth year-over-year of 38 percent with 38,443 sales. Last but not least, the 911 also recorded double-digit rise - 35,573 sales or 10 percent more than 2017." They left out the Cayman/Boxter twins, which by the math (they quote a total) were 24,750 units.
SOURCE: https://www.motor1.com/news/300557/p...g-models-2018/
And
https://press.porsche.com/prod/press...rsionid=876995


Nope, I was ancient already then...



Chevy's race program is in the Camaro. The Vette is secondary, and benefits from some shared bits. But it is the Vette that is seen as their premier sports offering.

As for Nissan, three letters for you. GTR. The 370Z is neither a halo car or sport car flagship for Nissan. The Z car heritage lost its cachet two generations ago. Now, it's just another mature market car that still rakes in enough cash for them not to shut the production line down. It fills a spot in the Toyota 86 segment. Just like there is a NISMO Juke, it is prostituting a badge for profit. And the GTR isn't what it once was, either.



Then buy and Alfa Romeo! ;-)



Are you referring to the Nissan / Renault alliance there? LOL

Nissan, if they continue to work so closely with Renault and Mitsubishi, will almost certainly start sharing platforms and drive train components.

Dude I thought my understanding of the English language is horrible?
But all I can say is....:facepalm:

I meant the idea of profiteering is a bad business model for a true car enthusiast for sports car ( meaning you and me) As they ( car manufacturers) would alwsys market and sell affordable family sedans and SUV...etc.. thus going back to the same argument why Nissan has not birth a new Z. I think we both agree on that. Right?

If this is a peeing contest I say you win with all your sales stats and what not about SUV sales of Porsche! I could not agree more than you can imagine.

But to say that the Camaro is the primary race program of Chevy GM? And the Alfa Romeo is the best car of choice for my taste?! To add insult to injury that Porsche DNA was the SUV is like saying Michael Jackson was born of a white mother!

Boy I tell you...you win the peeing contest but you loose on category of the hardest and biggest stick one can carry!!

Lol.., you made me happy today!

Back to topic for the VN

Man let’s forget everything we said lets just buy beer and talk about women!:tiphat:


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