Nissan IM concept for those dreaming about Tesla

cossie1600

Track sessions are 20-30 minutes long. Even at 30 minutes at an average of 60mph, you really only need enough fuel for 30 miles. In the Z, you won't even get there because fuel starvation will kick in long before the end of the 30 minutes. I am sure you are good enough to figure that out since your math is so good.

Now you are moving from the Department of Energy loan program to the tax incentives where Nevada gave Tesla. You do know the difference between a tax incentive to build a plant vs. a loan right? Didn't Scott Walker give Foxconn $3m in incentives to build in Wisconsin too? I guess you are right, the plan is failing horribly, the gigafactory factory is just a mirage. The people in Sparks Nevada are giving away their home due to the failure. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2018/...is/1619609002/

Maybe it is time for a Bombardier type bailout, can we get JT to help out?

The tax incentives were implemented to help speed up the adoption of zero emission vehicle (you can say less emission or whatever you want to call it).
You might not like it, but you pay for it sooner or later through the damages caused by the change in storm intensity. I worked as an actuary, storm intensity due to climate change was part of the rate adjustment we factored in.

You can say you are being taxed unfairly, but I can argue the same because I have to pay for gas/oil subsidy unwillingly either. How do we settle the score on that?

Unlike you, I have both EV and gas cars. I am not badmouthing gas cars because I hate them, I just think we are at a point where people seriously have to consider changing their habits if it is possible. If you are in a fortunate situation where you can make a choice to help, maybe sacrifice a little for others. I am not religious, but I believe in karma. Maybe karma is coming back to allow me to get a Ferrari this or next year and gave me a chance to put a deposit on a roadster.

JARblue

Linking increases in storm intensity directly to vehicle emissions is reckless and misguided. This type of negligent thinking is a big part of the problem.

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cossie1600

Sue the EPA ad NOAA then. It took two seconds to search for them

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sou...-gas-emissions

https://oceantoday.noaa.gov/fuelforthestorm/

JARblue

Your suggestion to sue is stupid, as well as representative of the ridiculously litigious attitude in our society these days

I trust the EPA just as much as I trust the FDA and Big Pharma. Don't think for one second they don't have agendas they are pushing.

And those studies you linked are missing tangible evidence that greenhouse gases are responsible for increasing storm intensity. There are a lot of variables at play with regard to climate change. Humans always like to think they are big and important. But the fact is the sun influences weather on earth FAR more than humans currently do.

Now obviously emissions are on the rise pretty significantly based on technological progress and human population growth on earth. And that is certainly a good reason to start looking into alternative energy sources. But we also need to look at our current sources and see what changes we can make to help mitigate the impact. Short-sighted energy alternatives presented in a fear-mongering atmosphere are a waste of time and resources.

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ZCanadian

I think I am quite clear about the difference between a loan and a grant. I never mentioned loans. "Government handouts and incentives" was the term I used, and the Nevada deal was a doozie. Your knee-jerk response is just wanting to defend the indefensible. And you can have JT and his tom-foolery if you want him, 'cuz we don't. ;-)

The tax incentives were there as a government gift to manufacturers of EV's, who didn't therefore have to produce a competitive product. It was far easier to lobby politicians and charm them into thinking it would look "green" on their CV, than to do the work to get the cost of the car and the technology down. Or to convince consumers to pay the extra cost and "take one for the team" as it were.

I'm not against electrics. But I think that Fuel Cell will be the way of the future and for governments to force the market's hand like this is not appropriate.

cossie1600

We will trade you Trump for JT, we will add Ivanka and Jared.

Nissan received state incentives to move to TN, the state incentive is nothing new. Every state tries to lure business with incentives. You should call all these big companies welfare users.

The tax credit was used to encourage sale of zero or super low emission vehicle. You are right it helped launch the product, the government did it to encourage zero to low emission vehicle. Given 8% of new cars sold in CA have a plug now, I would say the incentive did its job to encourage more sales. CA sold 2 million cars last year, I think all of Canada sold that much.

Toyota Mirai is doing great, selling about 300 copies a month. Leases are $400 per month with zero down. You can get a free hydrogen card too.

ZCanadian

on that we are in agreement.

No deal!

Zingston

Well, that deal could be worse. I mean he could have been offering Hillary.

cossie1600

We add a player to be named later? Our first round draft pick mike pence? We will eat some salary too