2020 Supra... first thoughts

Ventruck

Seen a few. It does make noise, and I'm so-so about that. I hate it when a car is not as fast as it sounds, but I geuss the Supra does make "the cut", especially now.

C&D did a dyno test. According to that Toyota really did add more power. I was unsure if they upped the rating on just paper because of the original dyno results suggesting it should have ~380hp crank. But now it's actually at the wheel.



388whp @ estimated 15% loss = ~446hp at the crank. With that engine and a turbo, it's not really a surprise they could just do that. I guess nice for who wants that power with a warranty.

DLSTR

BMW has a great powerplant in the Supra. Toyota did the research on it. I think the car is superb overall. Its nice to have sportscar choices!

SwissCheese

The increased power on the 2021 model makes it more appealing, but I still think I'd rather spend another $5k-10k more and get a used GT-R.

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DLSTR

Nice review of both 2021 models Supra. The 4cyl is a true front mid-engine now. Quite intrigued. Fun review and a bit talking between them. But good review and nice visuals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQosdDhpwQ

NecioVato

I'm hoping (such as the rest of us) that the new Z will be a 6MT and will have the performance to match so that it will give everyone an option if they are looking for a manual vs the automatic only transmission.
It seems that when you look at things such as driving experience and the connection with the car - that it always falls back to driving a manual. Granted one can't compete with DCTs and 10speed autos but still - I'll give that up to row my own gears.

DLSTR

Nice review of 2- liter model Supra:https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...formance-0-60/

Where the Supra 3.0 impresses as a stunningly quick sports coupe with a greasy, drift-hungry rear end, the Supra 2.0 battens it down. Even zig-zagging through a twisted tangle of canyon roads, the Supra was unflappable, possessing a rock-solid confidence that is rare to experience on any sports car priced less than $100,000 that doesn't wear a Porsche crest. Yes, that includes the ridiculously potent BMW M2 Competition we tested recently; the Supra 2.0 is not nearly as powerful as the 405-hp BMW, but stellar suspension damping, sharp turn-in, and 50/50 weight distribution allowed us to carry cornering speeds we're more accustomed to discovering in bigger, wider, quicker cars.

Ventruck

Sounds like a similar case Randy Pobst was making for a 4cyl Camaro.

I get it, but I feel like if they're making a case for some shedded weight at the expense of power, might as well really indulge in that direction. Wonder where the new 86 sits on the scales with very similar power.

DLSTR

BRZ and 86 have less power and refinement and you have to work the engine hard, very hard to gain excitement and work. The turbo makes up for that in the 2.0 Supra and has mechanical diff. Not a bad package and tuning already exists for this 4cyl BMW motor. Im intrigued by this model Supra and Im a big fan of yellow

Also now a true mid-front engine car in the 2.0 as the motor is very much behind the front axle. This is the daily fun driver Ive been looking for. I dont care about track. For that Id have an Elise. Ive done my tracking overall. This search is now about a daily driver. I think I have found it

NecioVato

Redline Reviews did a really nice video comparison between the 4cyl and the 6cyl versions of the Supra as well. If they are both turbo'd - I think I would still want to lean toward the 6cyl turbo instead of the 4cyl.

https://youtu.be/xPYSF328pew

I also wonder if Nissan will look at the pricing of the Supra to see where they will fit their car into the mix. A $40kish Z isn't bad depending on the performance they offer along with interior upgrades etc. As I type this - I do think to myself - $40ish for a base model Z - or any car for that matter - that is a little hard to swallow; isn't a brand new sport Z around $32k (if not less)?

Ventruck

I was referring to the supposed 2021 86 successor, supposedly running 260hp from another Subaru Flat 4

NecioVato

THIS right here - if the 4cyl Supra will be pushing out 260ish HP, and lets say it goes for high 30s or 40k to start - if the BRZ/86 is much cheaper but is putting out similar HP - and if the BRZ/86 keeps its handling that it currently offers - I think it really eat into the 4cyl sales of the Supra.

The Supra might have the name but if you are basically running a Toyota tuned BMW - then one might be more tempted to go with the BRZ/86 since that will/should be 'more reliable' at a cheaper price. Again, this is all speculation but it did have me wondering how and where the updated BRZ/86 and the 4cyl Supra would be fitting into the lineup.

cossie1600

Toyota is selling the left over supra in the 40s this month.

DLSTR

A good value. 2 seat, fast, sportscar. Glad we have the choice.

DLSTR

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-battle-video/

Corvette C8 Z51 VS 2020 Toyota Supra! VIR Track Battle!

cossie1600

So anyone getting one?