2020 Supra... first thoughts

Waiz · 01-26-2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by POS VETT

It's a long story, basically it has multiple electronic problems involving the Body Domain Controller from the beginning (it would not come out of transport mode). Toyota did not know how to repair the problem and the car sat for months without a clear indication if it could even be repaired.

As the cars age, other types of problems start to show up. Some of them have no clear solution or part availability. The corporate attitude, shown to me by Toyota and Toyota Customer Care (not the selling dealer, they have been great), left a bitter after taste.

It's a great car otherwise, it's the electronics that ruin the car.

Exactly what I feared with using a BMW drivetrain

NecioVato · 01-27-2020, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POS VETT

It's a long story, basically it has multiple electronic problems involving the Body Domain Controller from the beginning (it would not come out of transport mode). Toyota did not know how to repair the problem and the car sat for months without a clear indication if it could even be repaired.

As the cars age, other types of problems start to show up. Some of them have no clear solution or part availability. The corporate attitude, shown to me by Toyota and Toyota Customer Care (not the selling dealer, they have been great), left a bitter after taste.

It's a great car otherwise, it's the electronics that ruin the car.

Stupid question but with some of the problems - is this something that a certified BMW tech could look at? Or is it a situation where Toyota did enough changes to things that they need their guy to look at yet Toyota didn’t build the car so it is taking more time to figure out the issues that seem to pop up?

Hotrodz · 01-27-2020, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

i would need to sit in it to see how i fit

but if it had a manual transmission i'd be looking very, very hard at it

especially after seeing the Varis widebody for it

You are taller than I am and a little more athletic it would be a tight fit and forget about wearing a helmet. The roof line will leave you with a concussion or two from banging on it be it is much lower than the Z. I was told to watch my head when sat in it. Once I was in I was fine. I had to make a couple attempts with a helmet on. I was like trying to get in NASCAR through the window. I had to scrunch down to keep the helmet of the roof.

POS VETT · 01-27-2020, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NecioVato

Stupid question but with some of the problems - is this something that a certified BMW tech could look at? Or is it a situation where Toyota did enough changes to things that they need their guy to look at yet Toyota didn’t build the car so it is taking more time to figure out the issues that seem to pop up?

I was told that there was some kind of limitation for either brand to work on the other's car. Apparently not hardware, so likely it's built into software/firmware somehow.

It is unclear to me how much/deep Toyota intervention is in the aspect of the electronic architecture. My guess it's very little judging from the fact that their own people (FTS engineers) were unable to solve the problems.

Cyber370 · 01-28-2020, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POS VETT

It is unclear to me how much/deep Toyota intervention is in the aspect of the electronic architecture. My guess it's very little judging from the fact that their own people (FTS engineers) were unable to solve the problems.

Toyota had 0 input or intervention in the electronics. So yeah, worst nightmare. Stuck with German electronics.

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FL 4Motion · 02-02-2020, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POS VETT

It's a long story, basically it has multiple electronic problems involving the Body Domain Controller from the beginning (it would not come out of transport mode). Toyota did not know how to repair the problem and the car sat for months without a clear indication if it could even be repaired.

As the cars age, other types of problems start to show up. Some of them have no clear solution or part availability. The corporate attitude, shown to me by Toyota and Toyota Customer Care (not the selling dealer, they have been great), left a bitter after taste.

It's a great car otherwise, it's the electronics that ruin the car.

I bet a bimmer tech coulda fixed it.

.

All kidding aside, the attitude you described re. ‘Yota Corp and customer care is not an isolated incident. They think their **** don’t stink and never have the customer’s back, read many similar posts to yours regarding 4Runner and Tacoma problems too.

ZCanadian · 02-03-2020, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I bet a bimmer tech coulda fixed it.

.

All kidding aside, the attitude you described re. ‘Yota Corp and customer care is not an isolated incident. They think their **** don’t stink and never have the customer’s back, read many similar posts to yours regarding 4Runner and Tacoma problems too.

Unfortunately, my experience with Nissan over 3+ decades has been no better...

DLSTR · 02-14-2020, 12:07 AM

https://jalopnik.com/the-255-hp-four...the-1841674097

The 255 HP Four-Cylinder Toyota Supra Is Coming To The U.S. In 2021

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-14-2020, 06:12 AM

Heres a comparo of a camaro 4cylinder 1LE vs a supra. While I'm expecting better driving dynamics from the supra. I'm expecting a better overall car from the camaro.
The camaro wont spend it's time waiting for warranty claims to be honored and you get a manual.
If a 4cyl is your engine. You need a manual or DCT. As good as the ZF is. It's not gonna be great in a 4banger.

Maybe Toyota can call acura and borrow their TLX DCT. Since they're not building shyt.

Waiz · 02-14-2020, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR

https://jalopnik.com/the-255-hp-four...the-1841674097

The 255 HP Four-Cylinder Toyota Supra Is Coming To The U.S. In 2021

Car and Driver has a good overview, there is a new color for 2021 and a big power bump

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...a-photos-info/

latch · 02-15-2020, 02:48 PM

I’m still waiting for a MT version tbh. Was really hoping there’d be one offered on the 4CYL at least.

Ventruck · 02-16-2020, 08:35 PM

Skimming the MKV forums, sounds like there's an update to a 6-port (vs 2) exhaust manifold and the cylinder head is revised to accept it, but supposedly this has existed on other B58 engines already.

Believe C&D is the same outlet that dyno tested the launch edition at ~335whp. Dunno if that was some press car magic. That's theoretically 380+ crank hp if we assume 15% drivetrain losses.

So basically, who knows what the real resulting figure could be, but I think the exercise of doing this+other revisions just now, in the second model year, is a bit dumb. I'd think this kind of stuff either should've come from the start, or a mid-life update.

2021 Premium trim apparently is a tad more than the 2020 Premium. $55k vs $53.9. I get that some cars do get more expensive with new model years, but I didn't think the original price was competitive enough in this market.

It doesn't add up to anything more attractive than before imo, maybe even less so because of the nature it is coming about. And that's before we speculate issues like POS VETT did.

FL 4Motion · 02-17-2020, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

Skimming the MKV forums, sounds like there's an update to a 6-port (vs 2) exhaust manifold and the cylinder head is revised to accept it, but supposedly this has existed on other B58 engines already.

Believe C&D is the same outlet that dyno tested the launch edition at ~335whp. Dunno if that was some press car magic. That's theoretically 380+ crank hp if we assume 15% drivetrain losses.

So basically, who knows what the real resulting figure could be, but I think the exercise of doing this+other revisions just now, in the second model year, is a bit dumb. I'd think this kind of stuff either should've come from the start, or a mid-life update.

2021 Premium trim apparently is a tad more than the 2020 Premium. $55k vs $53.9. I get that some cars do get more expensive with new model years, but I didn't think the original price was competitive enough in this market.

It doesn't add up to anything more attractive than before imo, maybe even less so because of the nature it is coming about. And that's before we speculate issues like POS VETT did.

I agree with your opinion re. Pricing, but I think it’s great that Toyota is continuing to update the car regularly. I wish nissan would’ve done so with the z. Sounds like their just being more honest with the real brake hp #s now although they apparently did do some hard part updates. C&D also mentions new suspension and chassis upgrades as well, that’s even more important imo, since all the track reviews said the first year car was not well sorted at the limit on track.

I am confident they’ll work the bugs out as the years go by, it’s the piss poor customer care that is the bigger turnoff for me.

Still, bottom line, a new sports car getting regular meaningful updates, as car guys, we should be very happy about that.

FL 4Motion · 03-03-2020, 12:02 AM

So, saw a black Supra tonight up close. Wow, it really looks sharp in that color, wife and I both really liked it in black, def the color we’d choose if we were shopping for a new sports car.

DLSTR · 04-03-2020, 11:33 PM

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-toyota...h-a-1840457071

The 2020 Toyota Supra Has Noticeably Better Bite With A Tune From Litchfield

02-14-2020, 12:07 AM	#488 (permalink)
DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21267	https://jalopnik.com/the-255-hp-four...the-1841674097 The 255 HP Four-Cylinder Toyota Supra Is Coming To The U.S. In 2021 Rusty and Hotrodz like this.

02-14-2020, 06:12 AM	#489 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Heres a comparo of a camaro 4cylinder 1LE vs a supra. While I'm expecting better driving dynamics from the supra. I'm expecting a better overall car from the camaro. The camaro wont spend it's time waiting for warranty claims to be honored and you get a manual. If a 4cyl is your engine. You need a manual or DCT. As good as the ZF is. It's not gonna be great in a 4banger. Maybe Toyota can call acura and borrow their TLX DCT. Since they're not building shyt. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 02-14-2020 at 06:18 AM.

03-03-2020, 12:02 AM	#494 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701615	So, saw a black Supra tonight up close. Wow, it really looks sharp in that color, wife and I both really liked it in black, def the color we’d choose if we were shopping for a new sports car. Zingston likes this.

04-03-2020, 11:33 PM	#495 (permalink)
DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21267	https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-toyota...h-a-1840457071 The 2020 Toyota Supra Has Noticeably Better Bite With A Tune From Litchfield Last edited by DLSTR; 04-03-2020 at 11:35 PM.

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