2020 Supra... first thoughts

NissanFreak81 · 05-13-2019, 09:12 AM

The car will be a success for Toyota. So far the reviewers really like it and it is selling out. Now maybe Nissan will get off their butt and make a new Z.

ZCanadian · 05-13-2019, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NissanFreak81

The car will be a success for Toyota. So far the reviewers really like it and it is selling out. Now maybe Nissan will get off their butt and make a new Z.

EVERY new sports car sells like hotcakes for the first 6 months, then sales flatten out like a pancake. And "selling out" is as much a function of supply as it is demand. By the time year 3 or 4 comes along, it's a miracle if they keep selling at all without a MMR. The Z is, quite frankly, that miracle. I think, because at the price point, not much touches it by way of looks or performance. And since it hasn't changed in 10 years, every aftermarket gizmo ever made still fits!

That's not a criticism of the Supra in any way. Just that a few weeks after these first hit store shelves, and before anyone can do an in-depth, thoughtful, comparative review of the car (or find out how well it copes with the real world), is way too soon to tell anything of substance. Let the feeding frenzy settle down, and a few reviewers report after some long-term testing. Preferably, journalists who know cars, not those strictly in the entertainment business (if there are any of those left).

It would appear that Toyota did not see a business case for an in-house developed / manufactured Supra. So for Nissan to make any substantial improvements to the 370Z on its own, hoping they will pay back more than the current (fully amortized) development, is a big question mark. More likely that looking to the future, development of a replacement model will be electric and thereby share scalable platform with other Nissan-Renault-Mitsubishi models.

sunkist350z · 05-13-2019, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

EVERY new sports car sells like hotcakes for the first 6 months, then sales flatten out like a pancake. And "selling out" is as much a function of supply as it is demand. By the time year 3 or 4 comes along, it's a miracle if they keep selling at all without a MMR. The Z is, quite frankly, that miracle. I think, because at the price point, not much touches it by way of looks or performance. And since it hasn't changed in 10 years, every aftermarket gizmo ever made still fits!

That's not a criticism of the Supra in any way. Just that a few weeks after these first hit store shelves, and before anyone can do an in-depth, thoughtful, comparative review of the car (or find out how well it copes with the real world), is way too soon to tell anything of substance. Let the feeding frenzy settle down, and a few reviewers report after some long-term testing. Preferably, journalists who know cars, not those strictly in the entertainment business (if there are any of those left).

It would appear that Toyota did not see a business case for an in-house developed / manufactured Supra. So for Nissan to make any substantial improvements to the 370Z on its own, hoping they will pay back more than the current (fully amortized) development, is a big question mark. More likely that looking to the future, development of a replacement model will be electric and thereby share scalable platform with other Nissan-Renault-Mitsubishi models.

Agreed, I think the Supra will sell well not only in hype, but on the great reviews it has been getting. I think it looks amazing at the price point I just wish they offered a manual and my z would be up for sale. The z has aged very well it still makes me look back and stare at its unique lines. Same goes for the new Supra, I think it will still look amazing in 10 years.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-14-2019, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

EVERY new sports car sells like hotcakes for the first 6 months, then sales flatten out like a pancake. And "selling out" is as much a function of supply as it is demand. By the time year 3 or 4 comes along, it's a miracle if they keep selling at all without a MMR. The Z is, quite frankly, that miracle. I think, because at the price point, not much touches it by way of looks or performance. And since it hasn't changed in 10 years, every aftermarket gizmo ever made still fits!

That's not a criticism of the Supra in any way. Just that a few weeks after these first hit store shelves, and before anyone can do an in-depth, thoughtful, comparative review of the car (or find out how well it copes with the real world), is way too soon to tell anything of substance. Let the feeding frenzy settle down, and a few reviewers report after some long-term testing. Preferably, journalists who know cars, not those strictly in the entertainment business (if there are any of those left).

It would appear that Toyota did not see a business case for an in-house developed / manufactured Supra. So for Nissan to make any substantial improvements to the 370Z on its own, hoping they will pay back more than the current (fully amortized) development, is a big question mark. More likely that looking to the future, development of a replacement model will be electric and thereby share scalable platform with other Nissan-Renault-Mitsubishi models.

Last I heard from Nissan. I posted the article not too long ago. Nissan says 90 % of enthusiasts are strictly against the electrification of their sports cars. So the next gen will be gas engines. And I'm glad!!!!

Whatever people wanna say concerning lack of heritage in this car will be justifiable. But BMW has never really made a bad sports car. Neither has Toyota... Per say. The FRS handicap was it was disgustingly underpowered.
Sofyan looked like he was getting shoved around in the cockpit by torque. Something the Z totally lacks and why I went to a v8. If this car is as torquey as it looked in the overview? Sign me up!!

Torque rules...

goeagles11 · 05-14-2019, 03:46 PM

Supra ran a 0-60 of 3.8 seconds according to car and driver....I'm all in once the funds are in order.

sunkist350z · 05-14-2019, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by goeagles11

Supra ran a 0-60 of 3.8 seconds according to car and driver....I'm all in once the funds are in order.

Wow 12.3 quarter mile is dam fast 113mph trap...maybe I could live with out a manual?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/

ZCanadian · 05-14-2019, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z

Wow 12.3 quarter mile is dam fast 113mph trap...maybe I could live with out a manual?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/

Well, you're definitely not going to match those times in a 3-pedal car! :-P

sunkist350z · 05-14-2019, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Well, you're definitely not going to match those times in a 3-pedal car! :-P

DLSTR · 05-14-2019, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z

Wow 12.3 quarter mile is dam fast 113mph trap...maybe I could live with out a manual?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/

Nice review. Given the specs a decent track machine not just focused on speed but all around performance as predicted by the press reports on the pre-production testing allowed press drivers in Europe. A nice balanced car. So what is not to like about this machine lol??? Nothing. It does the job and well from what it appears.

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05-13-2019, 09:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
NissanFreak81 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 69 Drives: G37 Rep Power: 27	The car will be a success for Toyota. So far the reviewers really like it and it is selling out. Now maybe Nissan will get off their butt and make a new Z.

05-14-2019, 03:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
goeagles11 Base Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: South Florida Posts: 81 Drives: 2017 370z Sport Rep Power: 8	Supra ran a 0-60 of 3.8 seconds according to car and driver....I'm all in once the funds are in order.