2020 Supra... first thoughts

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-06-2019, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyber370

Bottom line guys- people are not happy with the fact that the world’s biggest/most successful car manufacturer decided to take the lazy way out and basically use a BMW Z4, change the sheet metal and rebadge it as a Toyota Supra! Period. That is the main problem with the car. Sure, they call it a joint venture and co-development but the fact remains, it is basically 90% BMW and will be built on the same assembly line as the Z4.

Let me ask everyone this; How would the current Nissan GTR have been received if it had been developed by Audi and used an Audi sport sedan platform and power train (with detuned engine)? Think about that one.

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Let me ask you this... If the supra was a 400hp 3jz for 100k+ Would u still be complaining about price? Cuz engine development cost was the main reason behind doing this. At least it's an inline 6. That's it's heritage... The supra is not perfect. But it's a new 2 seat FR sports car that's not muscle. Who else is doing it under $60k?

NecioVato · 02-06-2019, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Let me ask you this... If the supra was a 400hp 3jz for 100k+ Would u still be complaining about price? Cuz engine development cost was the main reason behind doing this. At least it's an inline 6. That's it's heritage... The supra is not perfect. But it's a new 2 seat FR sports car that's not muscle. Who else is doing it under $60k?

To add to this - will anyone of us care if after some basic mods and a tune - people are able to push close if not over 400HP. It's already 0-60 in 4.1s - imagine what it will be like with a tune and some basic mods - this car could be a fun car - granted having a BMW engine is a fail - but....I'm just happy to see more sports cars on the road; if the RX9 and Z come back - it will be like the 90s all over again (think i just aged myself haha)

Rusty · 02-06-2019, 11:47 PM

BMW clone or not. I'm really happy that this car came out. I'm hoping that this will push Nissan and others to keep and update their sports cars. If you look at past history of sports cars. They run in cycles. There will be a bunch of new cars, then nothing for years. Then they will come back into style. This cycle of nothing has gone on too long. I believe that the manufactures are trying to look ahead to 2030's. And trying to figure out what the laws will be. A couple of euro countries have already said that there will be no fossil fuel vehicles sold in 2030. So the decision they have to make. Is how much money are they willing to spend on fossil fuel cars now vs electric vehicle tech. I think this is where a couple of companies are at now. Nissan being one of them. Toyota took the gamble.

FL 4Motion · 02-07-2019, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

BMW clone or not. I'm really happy that this car came out. I'm hoping that this will push Nissan and others to keep and update their sports cars. If you look at past history of sports cars. They run in cycles. There will be a bunch of new cars, then nothing for years. Then they will come back into style. This cycle of nothing has gone on too long. I believe that the manufactures are trying to look ahead to 2030's. And trying to figure out what the laws will be. A couple of euro countries have already said that there will be no fossil fuel vehicles sold in 2030. So the decision they have to make. Is how much money are they willing to spend on fossil fuel cars now vs electric vehicle tech. I think this is where a couple of companies are at now. Nissan being one of them. Toyota took the gamble.

Any new vehicle that comes out now has to have a hybrid or plug in electric variant to make economic sense for auto manufacturers for the reasons you stated above. We are in a global marketplace. If Europe bans the ICE and so does China, it almost doesn’t matter if we don’t since most cars are built on a global architecture.

Hell, Ford is coming out with a plug in f150 and the ram 1500 has a mild hybrid option already and so does the new wrangler, if a Jeep is now hybrid, I’d say the writing is on the wall.

Cyber370 · 02-07-2019, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Let me ask you this... If the supra was a 400hp 3jz for 100k+ Would u still be complaining about price? Cuz engine development cost was the main reason behind doing this. At least it's an inline 6. That's it's heritage... The supra is not perfect. But it's a new 2 seat FR sports car that's not muscle. Who else is doing it under $60k?

I don’t think price should’ve had anything to do with it. In the past, the Supra has always been Toyota’s halo sports car and expensive. The new Supra should’ve been a GTR or Corvette killer as it was in the past. I think a minimum of 500hp under 100k should’ve been the target and easily achievable (lightened LC500?). What they made is an improved BRZ/ 86. Now if The new Supra was called «*Celica*» instead........hmmmm.

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UNKNOWN_370 · 02-09-2019, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyber370

I don’t think price should’ve had anything to do with it. In the past, the Supra has always been Toyota’s halo sports car and expensive. The new Supra should’ve been a GTR or Corvette killer as it was in the past. I think a minimum of 500hp under 100k should’ve been the target and easily achievable (lightened LC500?). What they made is an improved BRZ/ 86. Now if The new Supra was called «*Celica*» instead........hmmmm.

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It would have met the same dilemma as a 100k Z. The supra was 320hp when it came out. It's specs were in the same range as all the other jdm cars of the era.
Nissan 300zx turbo. 300 to 320 hp as well as the Mitsubishi 3000gt
The Mazda rx 7 turbo was 255hp but 500 to 800lbs lighter than the rest. The corvette z06 at the time was about 350hp and was considered the car to beat. The 300zx did it.
What made the supra amazing wasn't how fast it was out the box. But how easy it was to get 1000hp out of a 300hp engine... So I'm not sure why you think the Supra has to be a GTR killer out the box. It's priced right in line with a 370z Nismo, where it should be. What has to happen is the Z needs a competitive update. Put the Q60 engine in the Nismo.

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