2020 Supra... first thoughts

Felix 808

Saw one spiderwebed up today going down the road. (I work near where a lot of test vehicles come out to play & where they come off the boat) looked a little bit like an Alpha 4C at a glance head on, but was no doubt the Supra when I saw the rear spoiler.

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sunkist350z

I don't know why people are saying that the new Supra looks like an rx8? It looks nothing like an rx8, looks more like a mini viper coupe gts.

ZCanadian

Nah, in stock form it looks like a BMW Z4 with a hard top, funny grille, and fake vents. Which isn't really a coincidence.

The body kit linked on the prior page is definitely Viper-inspired, and is a major improvement in the looks department.



RX8 - I think it might be the long hood. I saw it too, a bit, but it doesn't scream 16-year-old Wankel Mazda.

Felix 808

The one I saw looked like this, minus the Euro plate & and add the anti-spy wrap Didn't catch what the wheels looked like.

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Rusty

This car isn't getting much love on the net.

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I said the pic with the wide body kit flares my initial thought reminded me of an rx8. I never thought it looked like an rx8. It was like the roarshack cards and someone says what does this remind you of and you say butterfly when in fact it's just an ink blot... it was merely my first thought of the wide body kit pic.... NOT the regular supra

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RicerX

So... if TRD gets into a collaboration with Gazoo Racing... could we have...

a GRANDTRD SUPRA?!?! A.... grand... turd... ?! GET IT GUYZ?!

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RicerX

On a serious note, I'll weigh in on this thing. I may have before in another thread, but EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT... so here goes part 1 of 2.

Today's sports car revivals/revisions are damned if you do, damned if you don't. The Supra was damned from the start - after all this anticipation, all this buildup, all this unreasonably incessant speculation, they could have released a Bugatti Veyron killer for $100k and you're still going to end up with a large subset of Supra hipsters going "elbows too pointy, would not bang."

The powerplant choice was doomed from the start. You could have shoved in the RCF V8 (which would have been my pick - solid power and Toyota reliability, plus NA - less complexity) and had all the straight-6 fanboys pissed off. So what do they do? Put in a turbo straight-6... piss everyone off anyway.

The highest performing sports/super cars now use dual clutch or high-performing torque converter automatics. The fastest Camaros are 10 speed autos, the GT-R is a dual clutch, the M cars all dropped manuals except for the M4, and the take rates for those that offer manuals are so small the business case for even spending the R&D money to make it an option doesn't make any damn sense on any damn level except the emotional one. Emotions aren't good for business unless the business is emotion. So anyway, what does Toyota do? Offer a Supra, but it's gotta come with an automatic. Manual purists are mad.

There are so many things they could have done/could not have done that there is just no way to even know if reviving the Supra could have ever been a grand slam home run. Even if they remade the 1998 exactly as it was built in 1998, you'd have a subset of people that would be like "dude do something new - it's not competitive".

Gotta give it to Toyota for trying to throw an entry into a segment with the most difficult and stubborn buyers in the world. They release a cheap, lightweight, affordable 2 seater in the GT86, and people are like "has Prius wheels" and "not enough power". So they make a new car without prius wheels and twice the power. "It's not a toyota", "has BMW interior", "not enough power". The next one (if there is one) will have double the power, but cost more. "too expensive" "I can get a used 1989 Ferrari Testarossa for that"

We have no one to blame but ourselves for the state of the sports car segment. And hipsters. Always blame hipsters.

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POST OF THE MOMENT!! Some hipster will come along and do better LOL. Just give it time

Spot-fkn-on in all seriousness!

RicerX

Now, what would I buy with $50k given the Supra is an option? Not a Supra. Here's why.

For not much less, I can have a Z Nismo with a manual. I trust the VQ37's iron clad reliability over any modern powerplant from BMW. This would have been a different story if the Lexus V8 was inside. The Z is more of what people are actually claiming to want from a sports car, but so many people dog it "because it's old". Well guess what everyone really wanted? A brand new 1998 Supra! Sports car buyers either already have exactly what they want and aren't buying anything new no matter how good it is, or buyers "wanna buy something, but not that." AKA they have no idea what they want, and they'll always find something to not like about it.

The enthusiast claims that he props up the sports car market and the sports car makers need to cater to him to be successful. The sports car makers make an attempt to satisfy enthusiast, enthusiast plays the enthusiast hipster card and does not buy. Or waits to buy used because "too expensive and I don't understand how inflation works when I compare new supra to old supra, or new 370Z to Z32 twin turbo" (look it up - a Z34 is in the price range of an S13 hatchback, new for new, when adjusting for inflation. I guarantee this new Supra is cheaper than the old one was when it was new.)

It is what it is. I think the Supra looks great, but the fact that it's really a BMW inside isn't what I would want from a Supra. I would rather buy the purer 370Z Nismo over it, trading some bells and whistles and an extra half second to 60 that I will probably never notice while enjoying the car, and have my manual transmission. Yeah, it's a homer pick, but if I couldn't pick the Z, I probably still wouldn't pick a Supra for $50k. I'd just employ the brute force technique on a Camaro SS 1LE, or save a touch more for a BMW M2, and then I'd have a BMW badge to go with my BMW, and I wouldn't have this nagging obligation to use my turn signals.

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Supra hipsters going "elbows too pointy, would not bang."


I'm dying over here!!!!

Zerafian

It does look nice when you mangle the stock body(cut up the stock fenders) to add a widebody or fender flares. You gotta really commit to owning one to drop the value that much and destroy the shell, just to make the car look nice.

whats funny is, it just helps the car look more like the FT1 concept we all wanted.

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I actually like the new Supra but it just isn't what I think many of us expected. It reminds me of how the Pontiac GTO got its revamp and then unfortunately failed even though the car was damn stout. I don't know, it could go either way. Hell even the 370 was looked at as "too different".....but at least it was all Nissan lol

ZCanadian

You make excellent points (as usual).
The thing is that Toyota brought all this upon themselves by resurrecting the "Supra" monicker. They could have simply called it the "FT", a production version of FT-1 Concept and improvement on the GT-86. With all of the expectations waived, half of the criticism disappears. Still doesn't address the BMW-in-a-Toyota-jacket issue, but as people have said, that has pros and cons.

Shoeshear

But even if they didn't call it a supra, then everyone will just say, "oh they should have just made a new supra". At the end of the day, it's just part of the hype train and no mere mortals have really driven the car yet. I feel like we're all judging based on looks and numbers on paper, but none of us really know how it drives. My only gripe with it is that the nose of the car looks like an actual nose....it's kinda weird. The back looks fantastic IMO. And "Supra" or not, it's probably a car that deserves a real drive. Toyota and BMW are two serious names in the car game, both in regular consumer cars and in motorsport history. It could be that the car is more than the sum of its parts. If all everyone wants is monster power for less than 50k, go American. I don't think BMW or Toyota have ever been the kings of bang for your buck for pure power.

IMO, the old supra isn't that pretty either.