Nissan 370Z Forum  

2020 Supra... first thoughts

Originally Posted by POS VETT It's a long story, basically it has multiple electronic problems involving the Body Domain Controller from the beginning (it would not come out of transport

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z General Area > The Lounge (Off Topic) > Other Vehicles


Like Tree828Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-26-2020, 11:49 AM   #481 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Waiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 9,262
Drives: Z33 & GE8
Rep Power: 459
Waiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by POS VETT View Post
It's a long story, basically it has multiple electronic problems involving the Body Domain Controller from the beginning (it would not come out of transport mode). Toyota did not know how to repair the problem and the car sat for months without a clear indication if it could even be repaired.

As the cars age, other types of problems start to show up. Some of them have no clear solution or part availability. The corporate attitude, shown to me by Toyota and Toyota Customer Care (not the selling dealer, they have been great), left a bitter after taste.

It's a great car otherwise, it's the electronics that ruin the car.
Exactly what I feared with using a BMW drivetrain
Waiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2020, 08:00 PM   #482 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Dallas TX
Posts: 321
Drives: 2017 Black Nismo Z
Rep Power: 19787
NecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond reputeNecioVato has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by POS VETT View Post
It's a long story, basically it has multiple electronic problems involving the Body Domain Controller from the beginning (it would not come out of transport mode). Toyota did not know how to repair the problem and the car sat for months without a clear indication if it could even be repaired.

As the cars age, other types of problems start to show up. Some of them have no clear solution or part availability. The corporate attitude, shown to me by Toyota and Toyota Customer Care (not the selling dealer, they have been great), left a bitter after taste.

It's a great car otherwise, it's the electronics that ruin the car.
Stupid question but with some of the problems - is this something that a certified BMW tech could look at? Or is it a situation where Toyota did enough changes to things that they need their guy to look at yet Toyota didn’t build the car so it is taking more time to figure out the issues that seem to pop up?
NecioVato is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2020, 10:06 PM   #483 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Hotrodz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NW, AZ
Posts: 9,330
Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo
Rep Power: 2684385
Hotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond reputeHotrodz has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OptionZero View Post
i would need to sit in it to see how i fit

but if it had a manual transmission i'd be looking very, very hard at it

especially after seeing the Varis widebody for it
You are taller than I am and a little more athletic it would be a tight fit and forget about wearing a helmet. The roof line will leave you with a concussion or two from banging on it be it is much lower than the Z. I was told to watch my head when sat in it. Once I was in I was fine. I had to make a couple attempts with a helmet on. I was like trying to get in NASCAR through the window. I had to scrunch down to keep the helmet of the roof.
Rusty likes this.
__________________
Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel|3GsCustoms|Z1|Wavetrac|Hotchkis|Whiteline |Blitz|Fortune Auto 500|Fujimura|SPL|H&R|TK|TWM|RPM Rollbar|Sparco|Next Level Performance|TrackSpec|AeroFlow Dynamics|Pioneer|
Hotrodz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2020, 10:45 PM   #484 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Columbus OH
Posts: 612
Drives: Z34|C4LT4|C6Z06|V25
Rep Power: 3366
POS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NecioVato View Post
Stupid question but with some of the problems - is this something that a certified BMW tech could look at? Or is it a situation where Toyota did enough changes to things that they need their guy to look at yet Toyota didn’t build the car so it is taking more time to figure out the issues that seem to pop up?
I was told that there was some kind of limitation for either brand to work on the other's car. Apparently not hardware, so likely it's built into software/firmware somehow.

It is unclear to me how much/deep Toyota intervention is in the aspect of the electronic architecture. My guess it's very little judging from the fact that their own people (FTS engineers) were unable to solve the problems.
POS VETT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2020, 06:22 AM   #485 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Cyber370's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Montreal, QC Canada
Posts: 679
Drives: 2016 370Z Nismo 6MT
Rep Power: 19372
Cyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by POS VETT View Post



It is unclear to me how much/deep Toyota intervention is in the aspect of the electronic architecture. My guess it's very little judging from the fact that their own people (FTS engineers) were unable to solve the problems.


Toyota had 0 input or intervention in the electronics. So yeah, worst nightmare. Stuck with German electronics.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Zingston likes this.
__________________
"That’s when you know you’ve found somebody special. When you can just shut the f*ck up for a minute and comfortably enjoy the silence.”-Mia (Pulp Fiction)
Cyber370 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2020, 04:41 PM   #486 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
FL 4Motion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: FL
Posts: 4,776
Drives: Baby Shark
Rep Power: 701615
FL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by POS VETT View Post
It's a long story, basically it has multiple electronic problems involving the Body Domain Controller from the beginning (it would not come out of transport mode). Toyota did not know how to repair the problem and the car sat for months without a clear indication if it could even be repaired.

As the cars age, other types of problems start to show up. Some of them have no clear solution or part availability. The corporate attitude, shown to me by Toyota and Toyota Customer Care (not the selling dealer, they have been great), left a bitter after taste.

It's a great car otherwise, it's the electronics that ruin the car.
I bet a bimmer tech coulda fixed it. .

All kidding aside, the attitude you described re. ‘Yota Corp and customer care is not an isolated incident. They think their **** don’t stink and never have the customer’s back, read many similar posts to yours regarding 4Runner and Tacoma problems too.
Rusty, Hotrodz, Spooler and 2 others like this.
FL 4Motion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2020, 02:37 PM   #487 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
ZCanadian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,058
Drives: 2013 370Z
Rep Power: 60273
ZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond reputeZCanadian has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FL 4Motion View Post
I bet a bimmer tech coulda fixed it. .

All kidding aside, the attitude you described re. ‘Yota Corp and customer care is not an isolated incident. They think their **** don’t stink and never have the customer’s back, read many similar posts to yours regarding 4Runner and Tacoma problems too.
Unfortunately, my experience with Nissan over 3+ decades has been no better...
FL 4Motion, Hotrodz and Falconquey like this.
ZCanadian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2020, 12:07 AM   #488 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
DLSTR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Süd Germany
Posts: 2,462
Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i
Rep Power: 21267
DLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond repute
Default

https://jalopnik.com/the-255-hp-four...the-1841674097

The 255 HP Four-Cylinder Toyota Supra Is Coming To The U.S. In 2021
Rusty and Hotrodz like this.
DLSTR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2020, 06:12 AM   #489 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
UNKNOWN_370's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: ny'r livn in tx
Posts: 8,687
Drives: well over 130m.p.h.
Rep Power: 14858
UNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond reputeUNKNOWN_370 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Heres a comparo of a camaro 4cylinder 1LE vs a supra. While I'm expecting better driving dynamics from the supra. I'm expecting a better overall car from the camaro.
The camaro wont spend it's time waiting for warranty claims to be honored and you get a manual.
If a 4cyl is your engine. You need a manual or DCT. As good as the ZF is. It's not gonna be great in a 4banger.

Maybe Toyota can call acura and borrow their TLX DCT. Since they're not building shyt.
__________________
Favorite Quote.
"I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 02-14-2020 at 06:18 AM.
UNKNOWN_370 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2020, 10:22 PM   #490 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Waiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 9,262
Drives: Z33 & GE8
Rep Power: 459
Waiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond reputeWaiz has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DLSTR View Post
https://jalopnik.com/the-255-hp-four...the-1841674097

The 255 HP Four-Cylinder Toyota Supra Is Coming To The U.S. In 2021
Car and Driver has a good overview, there is a new color for 2021 and a big power bump



https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...a-photos-info/
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg F83A5CFD-CA8E-440F-8AAA-D2F83D730EEC.jpeg (117.5 KB, 127 views)
Waiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2020, 02:48 PM   #491 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Halifax, Canada
Posts: 17
Drives: 2012 Z Sport
Rep Power: 7
latch is on a distinguished road
Default

I’m still waiting for a MT version tbh. Was really hoping there’d be one offered on the 4CYL at least.
latch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2020, 08:35 PM   #492 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: California
Posts: 785
Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6
Rep Power: 22898
Ventruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond reputeVentruck has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Skimming the MKV forums, sounds like there's an update to a 6-port (vs 2) exhaust manifold and the cylinder head is revised to accept it, but supposedly this has existed on other B58 engines already.

Believe C&D is the same outlet that dyno tested the launch edition at ~335whp. Dunno if that was some press car magic. That's theoretically 380+ crank hp if we assume 15% drivetrain losses.

So basically, who knows what the real resulting figure could be, but I think the exercise of doing this+other revisions just now, in the second model year, is a bit dumb. I'd think this kind of stuff either should've come from the start, or a mid-life update.

2021 Premium trim apparently is a tad more than the 2020 Premium. $55k vs $53.9. I get that some cars do get more expensive with new model years, but I didn't think the original price was competitive enough in this market.

It doesn't add up to anything more attractive than before imo, maybe even less so because of the nature it is coming about. And that's before we speculate issues like POS VETT did.
Ventruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 12:51 AM   #493 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
FL 4Motion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: FL
Posts: 4,776
Drives: Baby Shark
Rep Power: 701615
FL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ventruck View Post
Skimming the MKV forums, sounds like there's an update to a 6-port (vs 2) exhaust manifold and the cylinder head is revised to accept it, but supposedly this has existed on other B58 engines already.

Believe C&D is the same outlet that dyno tested the launch edition at ~335whp. Dunno if that was some press car magic. That's theoretically 380+ crank hp if we assume 15% drivetrain losses.

So basically, who knows what the real resulting figure could be, but I think the exercise of doing this+other revisions just now, in the second model year, is a bit dumb. I'd think this kind of stuff either should've come from the start, or a mid-life update.

2021 Premium trim apparently is a tad more than the 2020 Premium. $55k vs $53.9. I get that some cars do get more expensive with new model years, but I didn't think the original price was competitive enough in this market.

It doesn't add up to anything more attractive than before imo, maybe even less so because of the nature it is coming about. And that's before we speculate issues like POS VETT did.
I agree with your opinion re. Pricing, but I think it’s great that Toyota is continuing to update the car regularly. I wish nissan would’ve done so with the z. Sounds like their just being more honest with the real brake hp #s now although they apparently did do some hard part updates. C&D also mentions new suspension and chassis upgrades as well, that’s even more important imo, since all the track reviews said the first year car was not well sorted at the limit on track.

I am confident they’ll work the bugs out as the years go by, it’s the piss poor customer care that is the bigger turnoff for me.

Still, bottom line, a new sports car getting regular meaningful updates, as car guys, we should be very happy about that.
Waiz and DLSTR like this.
FL 4Motion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 12:02 AM   #494 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
FL 4Motion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: FL
Posts: 4,776
Drives: Baby Shark
Rep Power: 701615
FL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond reputeFL 4Motion has a reputation beyond repute
Default

So, saw a black Supra tonight up close. Wow, it really looks sharp in that color, wife and I both really liked it in black, def the color we’d choose if we were shopping for a new sports car.
Zingston likes this.
FL 4Motion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2020, 11:33 PM   #495 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
DLSTR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Süd Germany
Posts: 2,462
Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i
Rep Power: 21267
DLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond reputeDLSTR has a reputation beyond repute
Default

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-toyota...h-a-1840457071

The 2020 Toyota Supra Has Noticeably Better Bite With A Tune From Litchfield

Last edited by DLSTR; 04-03-2020 at 11:35 PM.
DLSTR is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tesla Roadster 2020 Baronsmokes Other Vehicles 36 06-06-2019 06:22 PM
2020 acura tix type S UNKNOWN_370 Other Vehicles 5 12-06-2018 12:54 PM
2020 Porsche 911 will go full wide body UNKNOWN_370 Other Vehicles 7 12-02-2018 03:00 PM
Nissan fuel cell vehicle by 2020. UNKNOWN_370 Other Vehicles 5 06-20-2017 09:58 AM
2020 Mazda RX9? sunkist350z Other Vehicles 18 08-05-2015 10:25 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2