2020 Supra... first thoughts

madwi · 09-30-2019, 07:40 PM

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-01-2019, 03:28 PM

https://jalopnik.com/you-hate-to-see...-se-1838658787

First recall on the Supra. The seatbelts. The era of recall free cars is gone!!

Spooler · 10-01-2019, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

https://jalopnik.com/you-hate-to-see...-se-1838658787

First recall on the Supra. The seatbelts. The era of recall free cars is gone!!

I knew you would be posting this. LOL

Rusty · 10-01-2019, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I knew you would be posting this. LOL

MZ DAIZY · 10-04-2019, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

https://jalopnik.com/you-hate-to-see...-se-1838658787

First recall on the Supra. The seatbelts. The era of recall free cars is gone!!

7 cars “might” have a seatbelt problem and they recall.

4 cars lose steering and the dealers blame the customers.

There is nothing lower than a car “dealer”.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to drive one of these Turds. Just keep it away from me and my family...

Hotrodz · 10-02-2019, 09:32 AM

Unbelievable, obviously BMW and Toyota are making too much money if they can afford to produce vehicles with part they no will fail and then will have to replace them later. Come on Mazda. Mazda has already developed a Mazda 3 tcr race car!

Ventruck · 10-04-2019, 07:35 PM

Honoring the warranty has a lot of grey area, and realistically, if they didn't do a tune, or expose what they were doing with the car, dealer/Toyota would've been more inclined to fix this. It is stupid, yes, because an engine tune shouldn't compromise a steering rack. But really, that comes with anything. You buy sports equipment and it rips, stores can turn down a return.

As for the the car itself. Adam LZ has been building his up. Jackie Ding was abusing his quite a bit until the wreck. He even damaged one of his suspension arms (I think he ran off track) and it was easily fixed and running. There has been use and abuse at the 'ring so it's not like they just saw it only on paper and put it into production.

True though, that these steering racks have a history with BMW. MKV forum is citing a number of things it seems, and I guess well short of Toyota standards.

We could always give a pass to a year-one release, and really draw the line as to whether things actually get addressed. If Toyota doesn't, then it's pretty much spelled out they half-assed this from beginning to end. What a waste of time, and I guess lies, claiming they took a good look at every component and reached to say the car was ready to modify.

Employee surely ****ed up, that's for sure. Way to drag the brand down, on top of the loser dealers issuing crazy markups — and equally the loser buyers jumping the gun, although some are translating that to YT money. Holy hell there are probably Corolla salesman smirking with a "you can't have dis" attitude with a Supra sitting in the showroom.

Not looking good. I want it to do good because we can't have enough sports cars, but yeah.

MZ DAIZY · 10-07-2019, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

Honoring the warranty has a lot of grey area, and realistically, if they didn't do a tune, or expose what they were doing with the car, dealer/Toyota would've been more inclined to fix this. It is stupid, yes, because an engine tune shouldn't compromise a steering rack. But really, that comes with anything. You buy sports equipment and it rips, stores can turn down a return.

One of the owners they turned down had a stock one. No mods at all. What’s the excuse for that one?

NecioVato · 10-05-2019, 12:54 PM

While I really do like the new Supra - I just want to see how the reliability holds up - since this is a build between 2 manufacturers with one of those not being known for reliability. Also - no way i could justify spending $60k on a car regardless of how 'cool' it is. I mean, give it a few years and that same car will be around mid to low $40s and that might be worth it.

And I definitely want to see if succeed bc if it does - that will justify Nissan and others making sports cars etc. Not to jump off topic but I just wish hatches were popular in the US - bc if you ask me, I would rather have a AWD or even FWD hatch over a crossover any day of the week.

Ventruck · 10-06-2019, 02:20 PM

Jackie bought another A90. Base model more suited for a build, but apparently he couldn't get it at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAc6iqGtWE

Ventruck · 10-08-2019, 01:33 AM

It's not really a matter of making excuses or defense. You seem to look for that like it's owed to you while you've gone out of your way to express how much you don't like the car — we get it. Hence the tag on this thread that has been here for a while.

It's not like this never happens anywhere else, where a dealer/company sheds doubt on an innocent customer and denies them warranty. Granted, it's a bit out of the ordinary for a brand like Toyota, and probably something you expect out of a *gasp* European manufacturer.

ZCanadian · 10-08-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ventruck

It's not really a matter of making excuses or defense. You seem to look for that like it's owed to you while you've gone out of your way to express how much you don't like the car — we get it. Hence the tag on this thread that has been here for a while.

It's not like this never happens anywhere else, where a dealer/company sheds doubt on an innocent customer and denies them warranty. Granted, it's a bit out of the ordinary for a brand like Toyota, and probably something you expect out of a *gasp* European manufacturer.

Or Nissan.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-15-2019, 03:14 PM

Magnaflow came out with a pretty nice exhaust for the Zupra... Ummm.... I bet itll be expensive though. With dual mode now, magnaflow exhausts are now rather pricey.

https://carbuzz.com/news/listen-to-t...market-exhaust

Ventruck · 10-15-2019, 11:49 PM

I'm in the minority who isn't into the whole crackle and pop sounds.

Race car, or legit powerful engine, cool. The Supra isn't a slouch, but I mean, it's a 3 liter I6.

I already scratch my head when I see Z owners going out of their way to do muffler deletes or get virtually brandless axle backs. Like, no offense. Car got louder, and is, unless you did FI, still slow in the grand scheme of things. I'm all for people who try to get actual good sound, though.

FPenvy · 10-16-2019, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

I'm in the minority who isn't into the whole crackle and pop sounds.

Race car, or legit powerful engine, cool. The Supra isn't a slouch, but I mean, it's a 3 liter I6.

I already scratch my head when I see Z owners going out of their way to do muffler deletes or get virtually brandless axle backs. Like, no offense. Car got louder, and is, unless you did FI, still slow in the grand scheme of things. I'm all for people who try to get actual good sound, though.

what if it was FI straight pipe?

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Magnaflow came out with a pretty nice exhaust for the Zupra... Ummm.... I bet itll be expensive though. With dual mode now, magnaflow exhausts are now rather pricey. https://carbuzz.com/news/listen-to-t...market-exhaust __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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09-30-2019, 07:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
madwi A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: West Michigan Posts: 31,410 Drives: Granma red Z Rep Power: 2684429	2020 Supra... first thoughts

10-04-2019, 07:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22898	Honoring the warranty has a lot of grey area, and realistically, if they didn't do a tune, or expose what they were doing with the car, dealer/Toyota would've been more inclined to fix this. It is stupid, yes, because an engine tune shouldn't compromise a steering rack. But really, that comes with anything. You buy sports equipment and it rips, stores can turn down a return. As for the the car itself. Adam LZ has been building his up. Jackie Ding was abusing his quite a bit until the wreck. He even damaged one of his suspension arms (I think he ran off track) and it was easily fixed and running. There has been use and abuse at the 'ring so it's not like they just saw it only on paper and put it into production. True though, that these steering racks have a history with BMW. MKV forum is citing a number of things it seems, and I guess well short of Toyota standards. We could always give a pass to a year-one release, and really draw the line as to whether things actually get addressed. If Toyota doesn't, then it's pretty much spelled out they half-assed this from beginning to end. What a waste of time, and I guess lies, claiming they took a good look at every component and reached to say the car was ready to modify. Employee surely ****ed up, that's for sure. Way to drag the brand down, on top of the loser dealers issuing crazy markups — and equally the loser buyers jumping the gun, although some are translating that to YT money. Holy hell there are probably Corolla salesman smirking with a "you can't have dis" attitude with a Supra sitting in the showroom. Not looking good. I want it to do good because we can't have enough sports cars, but yeah.

10-05-2019, 12:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
NecioVato Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 326 Drives: 2017 Black Nismo Z Rep Power: 19787	While I really do like the new Supra - I just want to see how the reliability holds up - since this is a build between 2 manufacturers with one of those not being known for reliability. Also - no way i could justify spending $60k on a car regardless of how 'cool' it is. I mean, give it a few years and that same car will be around mid to low $40s and that might be worth it. And I definitely want to see if succeed bc if it does - that will justify Nissan and others making sports cars etc. Not to jump off topic but I just wish hatches were popular in the US - bc if you ask me, I would rather have a AWD or even FWD hatch over a crossover any day of the week.

10-06-2019, 02:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22898	Jackie bought another A90. Base model more suited for a build, but apparently he couldn't get it at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAc6iqGtWE

10-08-2019, 01:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22898	It's not really a matter of making excuses or defense. You seem to look for that like it's owed to you while you've gone out of your way to express how much you don't like the car — we get it. Hence the tag on this thread that has been here for a while. It's not like this never happens anywhere else, where a dealer/company sheds doubt on an innocent customer and denies them warranty. Granted, it's a bit out of the ordinary for a brand like Toyota, and probably something you expect out of a gasp European manufacturer.

10-15-2019, 11:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22898	I'm in the minority who isn't into the whole crackle and pop sounds. Race car, or legit powerful engine, cool. The Supra isn't a slouch, but I mean, it's a 3 liter I6. I already scratch my head when I see Z owners going out of their way to do muffler deletes or get virtually brandless axle backs. Like, no offense. Car got louder, and is, unless you did FI, still slow in the grand scheme of things. I'm all for people who try to get actual good sound, though.