2020 Supra... first thoughts

JARblue

I wouldn't buy one. But I'd put my dìck in the exhaust

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RicerX

My gripe with this is the numbers on paper are what are supposed to help drum up the interest on the car itself, especially price. When the 350Z came out, the numbers on the paper were virtually untouched by the competition when you took the whole package into consideration (mainly the price - the car was insanely competitive on all fronts at the time).

There's not a single number on paper that makes your eyes pop in 2019 if you have to consider the price that comes with it. 4.1s to 60... Camaros do that. 320hp? 370Zs have been doing that for about 35 years. $50k price tag on a sports coupe? Porsches do that... this is a Toyota (on paper).

The only thing earth-shattering about the car is the nameplate. That's a problem when the nameplate once signified one of the most iconic Japanese grand tourers to ever exist. This is almost as bad as buying a GT-R emblem from AutoZone and putting it on my Cavalier when I was in high school. IF YOU PRETEND HARD ENOUGH IT'S NOT A CAVALIER, OK?! God, high school sucked.

It's not Japanese. It's not a Toyota. It's not a Supra. It's a BMW Z4 Coupe on loan to the Toyota badge shop... on paper.

On paper, an R35 GT-R was set to scorch the earth in 2009. The performance for the dollar was unheard of. The paper stats of that car were so good, I'm not sure people would have even taken detractors seriously. Turns out the car was pretty good too, whether you like DCTs or not. It performed as advertised, and for some it surpassed even that... So much so that Porsche didn't believe anyone and bought one of their own to test.

The only thing left to figure out about this Supra is, upon driving it, does it drive like a Supra or a BMW? All signs are pointing to the latter. Some people won't care, but the overwhelming majority of their target market will. Should we expect the sales numbers to look a lot like a GT-86? I hope not, because we'll never see sports cars from Japan again if they do. I guarantee you Nissan has been watching, and it's exactly why we still have the Z34 and R35 soldiering on as intended in 2009.

If it does drive like a dream... is it worth $50k? It already seems like a tall order.

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Rusty

You would diick anything.

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JARblue

Not true. I am very particular about certain things. Others, not so much

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Magic Bus

Like almost everyone on here, I'm dissapointed that the new Supra is not a Toyota JDM vehicle. However if I was in the market for a hardtop, 2 seater with auto trans, I'd seriously give this car a look.

Having purchased a new 2013 sport z and driven it for 5 years and now having purchased a new 2017 BMW M2 18 months ago, this car could be a really fun ride. The Supra will have about the same amount of torque, 50/50 weight distribution as my M2, plus a shorter wheelbase and a lower center of gravity. I won't go into the pros & cons of the M2 vs the Z as I already did that on another post, in this area of the forum.

At $50k US, the right to own one of these won't suit everyone, but if you're elegible, the BMW option will cost you $65k + shipping/delivery. So a ToyBMW car maybe a good option. Below is a review which pits the BMW version vs the Porsche 718.

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...he-718-cayman/

UNKNOWN_370

On paper it's not spectacular but I'm waiting for the behind the wheel experience. This may possibly the most balanced FR out their. The Z is front heavy. If this corners very balanced then we have a winner? If it doesn't? Then let's pray the rx9 or new Z come soon

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GraphiteZ

The new Supra is Toyota's attempt to put a decent mid-size sports car in the lineup to improve image with minimum effort and cost so that they can sell more TRD Camrys and TRD Avalons. If Toyota really wants to do the new Supra right, it should be a Toyota hardware with BMW tuning, not the other way around. The 1st gen MR2 had Lotus worked on the suspension and Yamaha worked on the 4AGE engine. By the end of the day, a Toyota-tuned BMW that costs like a BMW and requires maintenance like a BMW with no manual transmission option is not appealing to me. I will just get myself a BMW M240i with a manual transmission instead.

FPenvy

my buddy bought one. i'll be curious to see what it looks like in person once it gets delivered.

waiting to see how bad the actual design of the Z got ripped off lol

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BlackZeda

I have driven cars with paddle shifters, but they weren't the performance type by any means. During the test drive of the M240i xDrive I switched to manual mode which intrigued me. Is driving the M2 DCT in manual mode fun in a different way than a 3 pedal?

DLSTR

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...mw-z4-engines/

Why the Toyota Supra Makes Less Power Than the BMW Z4

The engines are nearly equal, but not equal enough.

UNKNOWN_370

Answered questions about how the supra was engineered.

https://youtu.be/_jbyzmtgU_0

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UNKNOWN_370

EXACTLY!!!! IIm glad this video exists so I don't have to write.

https://youtu.be/1aoAeB195uo


Though this is about Mazda deciding NOT to make a Mazdaspeed 3. It falls in line what this vid is saying. We gotta be happy that somebody even came out with a new sports car that wasn't. muscle. Period! Mazda claims no money for R&D.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/04/...o-mazdaspeed3/

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DLSTR

Tooooooooooooooo much over-thinking on a sportscar - no one has driven much less seen in person.

Video with just a bunch of blah blah blah over regurgitated talking points. See - Drive - Decide and discuss

UNKNOWN_370

It's still true though... I say drive before judging as well

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habber

I think the Supra looks amazing.

It’s ok to like the Supra....and the Z. Cars don’t have feelings.