C8 mid-engine corvette. GM loves their people.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-27-2019, 02:44 PM

https://jalopnik.com/please-leave-th...one-1840056210

So GM is talking smack about making a ev vette. So jalopnik comes with the idea of throwing the camaro under the bus to compete with the mustang e shytbox. Fvckin idiots. I'm hoping GM leaves the Camaro alone and continues with its legacy and not MIMIC ford for once!!

FL 4Motion · 11-28-2019, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Reasons why ENTHUSIASTS buy cars:

1. Performance/capabilities
2. Visceral experience
3. Feeling connected to the vehicle
4. Mod-ability/aftermarket support
5. As a track toy
6. As a collector item
7. As a sense of nostalgia.
Looks play a part but are usually secondary. We often look at body kits or body altering parts to make a decently nice car hot.

Why Consumers buy CARS!
1. Appearance/image/ Get Noticed
2. Practicality/Gas mileage
3. Insurance cost.
4. Price

Until you see one in person, opinions are seriously hindered. It's like the GTR. In a picture. It looks like the world's most expensive box.
In person... it's hot.

But then you have the case of first world envy...
The vette is a nice car... Not everyone will be able to afford one. Which usually also affects most peoples perception of a vehicle...

Good points, but I would add #8 to the enthusiast’s list: passion for a particular brand or model, after all, zdayz wouldn’t exist without that, or any car/make specific forum for that matter.

There’s a difference between fan and fanboy though, a fan can still see and accept the flaws in their preferred model/make, a fanboy is blinded by irrational emotion.

I always reserve final judgment on a cars looks until I see it in person, that’s why I like the Supra more now that I’ve seen one in the flesh vs before.

As far as looks, no real enthusiast ever said, “this car is fvckin ugly as sin, but it’s performance is so good, I’ll overlook it nd spend my money anyway, exception being a strictly track/race car, but for a road going or semi daily/track car looks always matter, not exclusively but they factor in

Now, looks for image or getting noticed, I agree with you there, that’s not an enthusiast thing.

I liked the way the gtr looked in pictures from the get go, to me it looked purposeful and aggressive in a technological way. After owning one and staring at it for a couple years, that feeling only grew, I never would have got one if it didn’t light my fire so to speak.

FL 4Motion · 11-28-2019, 03:27 AM

Almost forgot, as far as adding body kits/exterior mods to make a car look better, excluding track focused exterior mods, I’ve never been into that, if it’s not good enough looks wise to me the way it comes from the factory, then I’m not putting $$ into it to make it look better. The one caveat to that would be wheels, but beyond that, I’m not buying a vehicle and changing bumpers etc bc I never liked the stock stuff as is.

Example, for me, the only good looking camaro is the zl1 1le, it’s the only one worth buying imo, (not just looks but performance is awesome), also I’m of the mindset you always buy the best top of he line model and if you can’t afford it, wait and save till you can.

I think the camaros, 5th and 6th gen actually look better in pics, In real life to me, again my opinion, they look too “plasticy” and cheap. Again that’s my opinion, it shouldn’t affect anyone else’s love for a ‘maro.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-30-2019, 03:44 PM

https://www.motor1.com/news/385310/g...base-corvette/

Chevy claims that they're losing money on any vette less than 80k.
And that they will have to incrementally raise prices.
This car is a gift to enthusiasts...
It's a historical feat and the most iconic sports car in a very long time. If this car cant bring enthusiasm back to automobiles? Nothing will.

FL 4Motion · 12-02-2019, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

https://www.motor1.com/news/385310/g...base-corvette/

Chevy claims that they're losing money on any vette less than 80k.
And that they will have to incrementally raise prices.
This car is a gift to enthusiasts...
It's a historical feat and the most iconic sports car in a very long time. If this car cant bring enthusiasm back to automobiles? Nothing will.

I’m slightly skeptical of the losing money claim, but then again, probably 1/2 c8s sold will be $80k or above. If they run the c8 chassis for a good long while with updates along the way, the cost per vehicle to build will come down and the profit per car will increase. Sh1t, Nissan must be making bank on the 12 z cars they sell per year by this point.

I hope Chevy doesn’t fall into the trap Nissan did with the gtr. At under 100k, the gtr was a great performance value proposition (it still would be). At over 100k, it stopped making sense anymore and it hurt even more that it is ancient and hasn’t kept up with the competition. Nissan tried to justify the yearly price increases with more and more “luxury” upgrades but at the end of the day, it’s still a Nissan that costs over $100k.

Chevy may run into this as well, “it’s just a Chevy ‘vette at the end of the day” attitude could kill sales if it gets too pricey.

The vette loyalists mostly wont be able to afford over $100k cars and the car enthusiasts who comfortably can, most if they do get one, it would be for a track car, aka second or third or fourth car, bc they’ll drive something “nicer” as a daily. That won’t be enough to prop up sales.

If it gets too expensive, the vette could become the perfect lightly used second or third owner used sports car, kinda the way the gtr has gone.

This vette, (nor any other sports car for that matter), isn’t going to save sports cars or enthusiast cars in general until it goes full electric and/or autonomous and the non automotive media creams themselves all over it just like they do every time a new Tesla gets unveiled, or even hinted at.

Spooler · 12-02-2019, 04:39 PM

Now this is badasss...

https://www.motor1.com/news/385609/2...e-c8-widebody/

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-10-2019, 06:05 PM

So does this mean the hybrid motor will be the axle? Logically, that's amazing. It may be self propelling 114hp? That's insane!!

https://carbuzz.com/news/chevrolets-...re-interesting

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-10-2019, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I’m slightly skeptical of the losing money claim, but then again, probably 1/2 c8s sold will be $80k or above. If they run the c8 chassis for a good long while with updates along the way, the cost per vehicle to build will come down and the profit per car will increase. Sh1t, Nissan must be making bank on the 12 z cars they sell per year by this point.

I hope Chevy doesn’t fall into the trap Nissan did with the gtr. At under 100k, the gtr was a great performance value proposition (it still would be). At over 100k, it stopped making sense anymore and it hurt even more that it is ancient and hasn’t kept up with the competition. Nissan tried to justify the yearly price increases with more and more “luxury” upgrades but at the end of the day, it’s still a Nissan that costs over $100k.

Chevy may run into this as well, “it’s just a Chevy ‘vette at the end of the day” attitude could kill sales if it gets too pricey.

The vette loyalists mostly wont be able to afford over $100k cars and the car enthusiasts who comfortably can, most if they do get one, it would be for a track car, aka second or third or fourth car, bc they’ll drive something “nicer” as a daily. That won’t be enough to prop up sales.

If it gets too expensive, the vette could become the perfect lightly used second or third owner used sports car, kinda the way the gtr has gone.

This vette, (nor any other sports car for that matter), isn’t going to save sports cars or enthusiast cars in general until it goes full electric and/or autonomous and the non automotive media creams themselves all over it just like they do every time a new Tesla gets unveiled, or even hinted at.

As I thought about it. I too thought. I hope they're not planning on selling this car for 80k. Probably a bunch of idiots at the dealer ordering theres were saying. "This car is so hot, I'd easily pay 80k", when in fact you know they wouldn't. But chevy probably got that feedback and is testing the waters with this statement.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-12-2019, 01:31 PM

Chevy claims they sold all 40,000 units before its release.
If this is true? This means the sports car market is very much alive and people been waiting for something like this...
Meaning, I think theres room for a camaro 7 if they go routes that I've mentioned before. Which was making a corvette style 4 seat camaro with dimensions similar to the camaro 3 but performance like a c7 GS for about 50k.
It could he done. It's up to Chevy though.

https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-chevro...ut-in-americaP

ZCanadian · 12-12-2019, 04:44 PM

Or, meaning that people saw this incredibly priced, super performing car for the deal it seems to be, and took advantage of Chevy's "Black Friday" pricing before GM came to their senses and priced it closer to where it belongs.

A next generation Camaro would have to be a similar paradigm shift to get this kind of sales interest, I'm afraid. Not sure that GM wants to risk that much R&D into two petrol sports cars at this stage. Seems a foolishly risky venture. 40,000 cars is not that huge in the overall scheme of things. They sold 35,000 C7's to North American markets alone, in the first year of production.

FL 4Motion · 12-23-2019, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Chevy claims they sold all 40,000 units before its release.
If this is true? This means the sports car market is very much alive and people been waiting for something like this...
Meaning, I think theres room for a camaro 7 if they go routes that I've mentioned before. Which was making a corvette style 4 seat camaro with dimensions similar to the camaro 3 but performance like a c7 GS for about 50k.
It could he done. It's up to Chevy though.

https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-chevro...ut-in-americaP

/\. I want this to be true...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Or, meaning that people saw this incredibly priced, super performing car for the deal it seems to be, and took advantage of Chevy's "Black Friday" pricing before GM came to their senses and priced it closer to where it belongs.

A next generation Camaro would have to be a similar paradigm shift to get this kind of sales interest, I'm afraid. Not sure that GM wants to risk that much R&D into two petrol sports cars at this stage. Seems a foolishly risky venture. 40,000 cars is not that huge in the overall scheme of things. They sold 35,000 C7's to North American markets alone, in the first year of production.

...However, I sadly fear this is more accurate.

If there’s a next gen camaro, it’ll have to be hybrid to start with the preplanning done for it to go full electric a few years later on the same chassis. Even with platform sharing, its a big risk with cars losing popularity to cuvs. Can gm have two low volume “halo” sports cars and still make enough $$ to justify both? Even if the camaro would be profitable in the above scenario, it wouldn’t be more profitable than a cuv electric hybrid vehicle and gm has to allocate resources to maximize $$$. (And this is how a similar convo probably went at ford which led to the mustang electric cuv).

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-11-2020, 03:17 PM

https://jalopnik.com/two-gm-engineer...tte-1840940028

Rusty · 01-11-2020, 03:37 PM

They might be looking for new jobs soon.

Glad no one got hurt for their actions.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-21-2020, 07:13 AM

C8 Z06 Flat plane crank engine sounds so sick!!!

Now I'm wondering... Should I shoot for a Z06? The Z06 suspension is always pretty amazing as well

I wonder what the cost would be?

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/c8-z0...und-1841116949

Waiz · 01-25-2020, 10:33 PM

Car sounds great at the Rolex 24 of Daytona, completely different sound

11-27-2019, 02:44 PM	#391 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Jalopnik are idiots!!! https://jalopnik.com/please-leave-th...one-1840056210 So GM is talking smack about making a ev vette. So jalopnik comes with the idea of throwing the camaro under the bus to compete with the mustang e shytbox. Fvckin idiots. I'm hoping GM leaves the Camaro alone and continues with its legacy and not MIMIC ford for once!! FL 4Motion and Hotrodz like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701615	Almost forgot, as far as adding body kits/exterior mods to make a car look better, excluding track focused exterior mods, I’ve never been into that, if it’s not good enough looks wise to me the way it comes from the factory, then I’m not putting $$ into it to make it look better. The one caveat to that would be wheels, but beyond that, I’m not buying a vehicle and changing bumpers etc bc I never liked the stock stuff as is. Example, for me, the only good looking camaro is the zl1 1le, it’s the only one worth buying imo, (not just looks but performance is awesome), also I’m of the mindset you always buy the best top of he line model and if you can’t afford it, wait and save till you can. I think the camaros, 5th and 6th gen actually look better in pics, In real life to me, again my opinion, they look too “plasticy” and cheap. Again that’s my opinion, it shouldn’t affect anyone else’s love for a ‘maro. Last edited by FL 4Motion; 11-28-2019 at 03:38 AM.

11-30-2019, 03:44 PM	#394 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	https://www.motor1.com/news/385310/g...base-corvette/ Chevy claims that they're losing money on any vette less than 80k. And that they will have to incrementally raise prices. This car is a gift to enthusiasts... It's a historical feat and the most iconic sports car in a very long time. If this car cant bring enthusiasm back to automobiles? Nothing will. wideglideleon likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,834 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Now this is badasss... https://www.motor1.com/news/385609/2...e-c8-widebody/ UNKNOWN_370, God-Speed, Rusty and 2 others like this.

12-10-2019, 06:05 PM	#397 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	So does this mean the hybrid motor will be the axle? Logically, that's amazing. It may be self propelling 114hp? That's insane!! https://carbuzz.com/news/chevrolets-...re-interesting __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

12-12-2019, 01:31 PM	#399 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Chevy claims they sold all 40,000 units before its release. If this is true? This means the sports car market is very much alive and people been waiting for something like this... Meaning, I think theres room for a camaro 7 if they go routes that I've mentioned before. Which was making a corvette style 4 seat camaro with dimensions similar to the camaro 3 but performance like a c7 GS for about 50k. It could he done. It's up to Chevy though. https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-chevro...ut-in-americaP FL 4Motion likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

12-12-2019, 04:44 PM	#400 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,061 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60273	Or, meaning that people saw this incredibly priced, super performing car for the deal it seems to be, and took advantage of Chevy's "Black Friday" pricing before GM came to their senses and priced it closer to where it belongs. A next generation Camaro would have to be a similar paradigm shift to get this kind of sales interest, I'm afraid. Not sure that GM wants to risk that much R&D into two petrol sports cars at this stage. Seems a foolishly risky venture. 40,000 cars is not that huge in the overall scheme of things. They sold 35,000 C7's to North American markets alone, in the first year of production. FL 4Motion likes this.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	https://jalopnik.com/two-gm-engineer...tte-1840940028 abm89 likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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01-21-2020, 07:13 AM	#404 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	C8 Z06 Flat plane crank engine sounds so sick!!! Now I'm wondering... Should I shoot for a Z06? The Z06 suspension is always pretty amazing as well I wonder what the cost would be? https://oppositelock.kinja.com/c8-z0...und-1841116949 Rusty likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 459	Car sounds great at the Rolex 24 of Daytona, completely different sound

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