My Z was one of the best cars I've ever owned. My complaints on the Z were from day one but I still bought one n had it 6 yrs cuz I loved the drive.

My issues were the

3 gauge quality
The Z Deserved the Bose stereo in the base car that was in the touring for the money.
The sticks on the manual and auto were cheaply done and it was a contact part so I was upset.
Lastly. They dumbed down our Z that JDM had like.
AUTO START
POWER FOLDING MIRRORS
REAR FOGLIGHT.

Nissan duped us... nevertheless the Z was an AWESOME drive.

There are dealers who sell at MSRP all day long.

I love my Nismo. It is going no where. LOL Not one thing annoys me about it even before the TT upgrade.

The C8 first year might be different.

Noop, Rick Conti, Chevy Dude, or the guy up in your neck of the woods that sells to Streetspeed717.

I just posted the youtube vid on how to buy a vette. All presumptions about purchase are answered in that vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhPlBlc-MQ

He's guessing on the prices, but he seems confident the Z51 wouldn't be an insane jump.


Goal would be a 1LT Z51. If it still allows Android Auto, it bridges that gap. Really would want a 2LT because of the cameras, though.

And the lift doesn't sound like it will come standard. In GM's video they say it's "available".

Eventually, the market will adjust to MSRP or less.

But initially, if one dealership sells for list, he’ll sell the two cars that he receives in the first 6 months, and yes you can sign a deal for yours at list, but don’t expect to keys for a long time. Or order to suit (base, colour, etc) at list for a while.

Patience will be the key to getting a good car at a good price.

Z51 on the C7 was like 5k? I think it just upgrades you to MRC?

Here's a ford guy talking about abandoning ship on the GT500 temporarily to get a C8. I say good!!!!! Cuz Ford is horrible with mark ups. I hope the GT500 doesn't sell at all so that way the markup disappears n then it starts selling. Markups should be a crime.

https://youtu.be/-u-zQzh_ATA

Same with Supra. They better abandon the markup ship!!

Speaking of which. I think the camaro rumor is a lie. I think they said that to get as many people as possible to get into a vette. Influencing SS guys to upgrade.

Z51 is as big of a necessity as a Sport package on the Z.

dry sump lubrication, added coolers, e-diff, MRC, bigger brakes, exterior kit. On the C7 it actually made the rear vents functional too.

I see Z51 as the true baseline, and without as a way to accommodate budget buyers.

Non MRC still pulled 1.01g on the skid

Z51 pulled 1.1g and grand sport 1.2g

The skid numbers are exactly the same for Camaro SS models which is ridiculously insane chevy treated the camaro so well with the SS The SS MRC and SS 1LE.

Those numbers are so good. Even the bargain basement vette is a top handler. You really cant go wrong. But as an enthusiast. I think the grand sport or its equivalent is the perfect C7 or possibly C8.

I just want to warn against using skid-pad numbers as a reference for how good a car handles. Just because it can pull over 1G doesn't mean it's well balanced.


Carry on.

Well my Z was wayyyy more front heavy than my camaro by a lot. I corner harder faster flatter and more precisely than my Z though I'm in a bigger car. This is real world, not theoretical experience. But anyway... These numbers that people like then dont like at their convenience is typically how we measure sports car capability. Regardless of real world feel. Anyway...

"Feel" is the only way that one experiences a sports car ride, so it is a fair way of comparing cars for yourself. But it's subjective as hell. AKA "butt dyno" - which very seldom reflects reality.

However, real numbers are the only real way to do a fair and objective comparison. Lap times, weights and weight distribution, 0-60 times, braking distances, dyno results, G-forces (as long as we're comparing nearly identical circumstances, right down to the driver, surface, fuel, weather, tires, and identical dyno machine, between cars in stock-to-stock form). And as long as we understand that simple changes such as tires or even tire pressures might make a huge difference to results.

It think the point was missed with my comment; a car's "handling" can still be measured by numbers, but not just one measurement. Overall handling balance involves steering response, understeer/oversteer characteristics, how quickly it transitions from understeer to oversteer, and how it negotiates different types of cornering situations. It is why MotorTrend started doing the figure-8 testing (even though it is not comprehensive).

So, comparing cornering capabilities only based on a car's peak lateral-G load is erroneous.