Well, Hyundai can...

ZCanadian · 08-06-2018, 04:33 PM

So why can’t Nissan?

It seems that the other Korean twin isn’t standing still and letting Kia’s Stinger get all the kudo’s. They appear to have breathed new life into the Veloster. Now, before you all go and lose your lunch at the mention of that name, have a read of this: https://driving.ca/hyundai/veloster/...dai-veloster-n

First Drive: 2019 Hyundai Veloster N
Turns out, Hyundai knows how to build an exceptionally capable hot hatch
by COSTA MOUZOURIS | July 24, 2018

NÜRBURG, Germany — Sir Jackie Stewart called it the Green Hell. It’s known informally as the Ring. Nürburgring Nordschleife is the infamous stretch of asphalt that winds through the forests of Germany’s Eifel Mountains; it’s a racetrack renowned for its 20.8-kilometre length, uber-challenging layout, steep inclines and very high-speed straights and not-so straights.

The 2019 Hyundai Veloster N was developed here, which says a lot about a car the Korean automaker is hoping will help readjust the perception of a brand known more for value and a good warranty, rather than for performance and fun. Well, we’re here at the Ring to wring out the Veloster N.

If you’re curious about the N, it stands for Namyang, the location of Hyundai’s R&D centre in Korea. N is Hyundai’s high-performance division — think Mercedes-AMG or BMW M. And there is a big German connection to the Veloster N — it was developed as a collaborative effort between the Namyang R&D centre and Hyundai Motorsport, the Korean company’s race division based in Alzenau, Germany. It’s staffed in part by former BMW M head Albert Biermann, and Thomas Schemera, former head of BMW M’s U.S. branch. Hyundai Motorsport currently leads the WRC drivers’ and manufacturers’ championships, with driver Thierry Neuville at the wheel of an i20 rally car.

The Veloster has been redesigned for 2019 and among other changes, it has shed its trailing-arm rear suspension for an independent multi-link setup, which should get the attention of hot hatch enthusiasts. The N has unique front and rear fascias, spoiler, rear diffuser and LED lights to distinguish it from its non-N counterparts, and the openings in the bodywork are functional — the front bumper openings, for example, are connected to ducts that cool the brakes.

Power comes via a 2.0-litre turbocharged four that develops 275 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft. of torque. That’s less than the Honda Civic Type R, Ford Focus RS and Volkswagen Golf R, but Hyundai is not interested in engaging in a horsepower war. Rather, it’s opting to tune the chassis for balance and excellent feedback, factors that are emphasized during two fast laps of the Ring. The Veloster N will be available only with a close-ratio, short-throw six-speed manual, which is complemented with a rev-matching function that can be turned on or off via a dedicated steering-wheel button. Power transfers to the front wheels through an electronically controlled limited-slip differential.

The front seats are firm and designed to keep you planted while cornering. When driving, you can tell a racing department designed the steering wheel; the mode buttons are highly visible and easy to access. On the left of the wheel is the normal mode button, which cycles through Eco, Normal and Sport modes, while on the right is the fun button, which cycles between N and N Custom modes.

N mode places the throttle, steering, suspension, differential, and exhaust sound into their most aggressive settings, while also introducing robust popping in the exhaust when letting off. The amount of adjustability found in N Custom is astounding, as you can set engine mapping, exhaust sound, steering wheel and suspension firmness, differential settings, launch control, and a few other parameters individually, and keep them in memory.

I begin in N Custom, with all parameters at their most aggressive settings except the steering, which is set to Sport, and suspension, which is set to Normal, since the track is bumpy. I follow Hyundai’s lead driver, who is well versed in Nürburgring and sets a pace like he’s trying to escape. An indication of just how good this car is, is that without any time to get accustomed to it, I follow the lead car right off the start at a blistering pace, in complete control with unwavering confidence — I don’t feel like I’m fighting to keep up. The folks from Hyundai said they aimed for a well-balanced package, and the Veloster N is that — as well as forgiving and very, very fast.

Suspension components and steering geometry are unique to the Veloster N, and the electrically adjustable suspension has a very broad range of adjustment, going from firm yet acceptably compliant in Normal mode, to racetrack rigid in Sport Plus. Initially the suspension proves too soft in my chosen setting, so a push of the N button selects N mode, which sets everything to its stiffest, sportiest setting. This sharpens the car even further, and it returns remarkable, confidence-inspiring feedback and control.

One area where the Veloster N really impresses is in the Karusell, a concrete-lined, steeply banked turn that sinks you hard into your seat. You can carry about 30 km/h more speed through this banked corner than if it were flat. Here, the Veloster N just rails through with complete confidence, while managing the rough junctions at entry and exit with absolutely no drama. One interesting note is that the Veloster N was designed to be driven aggressively with the electronic stability control turned on, particularly here at the Ring. The guys at Hyundai Motorsport had discovered during testing that the extreme conditions of the Karusell would trigger the ESC to slow the car almost to a stop, so they actually programmed the ECU to detect these unique conditions and allow the car to rail through it, flat out.

The brakes were sourced from a larger, Euro-spec Kia Optima, but with dedicated brake pads. Despite the lack of “Brembo” cast into the calipers, the brakes are very strong with excellent feel and feedback, and no discernible fade after two hard laps. The Veloster’s 19-inch wheels are equipped with Pirelli P-Zero tires as standard, and they grip tenaciously.

Corners at the Ring range from hairpin-tight to flat-out sweepers. Yet regardless of how sharp, the Veloster N exits turns with the throttle to the floor and without a trace of understeer, the limited-slip differential doing as it should. In fact, lifting the throttle at corner entry gets the rear loose just a tad, providing scalpel-like steering. Along one twisty section, with blind corner after blind corner, I follow the lead, who never lifts or brakes at speeds that would have me shutting my eyes if I didn’t need them to drive — yet the Veloster N continues to handle predictably and precisely.

It’s clear that this Veloster is designed to handle racetrack outings right out of the showroom, but it also has to be versatile enough to drive everyday. The following day, we take an hour-long tour along the roads surrounding the racetrack. Having had my fill of N mode, I switch to Normal mode for the street, with a quieter exhaust note and softer suspension. The Veloster N surprises again with a composed and compliant ride, though it should be noted that the roads surrounding the racetrack are impeccably paved and board-smooth, save a couple of bumpy sections. The steering is nicely weighed even in this mode, and power, although soft on initial throttle opening, livens up when needed.

Along a section of traffic-free, unrestricted autobahn, I let the Veloster N breathe, taking it to an indicated 250 km/h, its claimed top speed, which it maintains with complete stability.

While a base Veloster N will be available in other markets with 250 horsepower, smaller brakes, and 18-inch wheels, only the hopped-up performance package model will be available in Canada, with no further options or packages, and is expected to come in below CDN$40K.

Hyundai’s brain trust had mentioned many times during the program that they’re trying to introduce fun to the brand — well, they’ve added a whole lot with just this one car.

*J*ap***V*et* · 08-06-2018, 05:19 PM

I to this day still want a veloster. It's what the crz should've been in all honesty. Certainly not a bad commuter with a bit of pep!

Hotrodz · 08-06-2018, 07:13 PM

Yup, I have been following the development of the "N" and the testing they have been doing. They are racing the car all over the world in the new TCR class and giving the Audi RS3 a run for their money. They are also doing it up on the rally car circuit. Hyundai is a player!

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Firebase99 · 08-06-2018, 08:38 PM

I posted in a different thread i drove a 2019 Velsoter turbo two weeks ago. All the bells and whistles including a HUD and dual clutch. Thing was awesome DESPITE it being wrong wheel drive. Can only imagine the N version.

Hotrodz · 08-06-2018, 10:08 PM

It will be interesting to see how it matches up against the Type R and other similar hot hatches. It seems that the car manufactures are figuring out how to deal with torque steer and the inherent understeer issues.

zero · 08-06-2018, 10:58 PM

It's the same as i30 N, isn't it?

Chasingstatus · 08-07-2018, 11:32 AM

I knew at some point of durng my lifetime I was going to have to start respecting Hyundai. This is the first I've seen of this little thing and it looks like it's going to cruise. I feel like my parents and grandparents how they felt about Japanese cars in the beginning, I'm definitely coming around.

Hotrodz · 08-07-2018, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chasingstatus

I knew at some point of doing my lifetime I was going to have to start respecting Hyundai. This is the first I've seen of this little thing and it looks like it's going to cruise. I feel like my parents and grandparents how they felt about Japanese cars in the beginning, I'm definitely coming around.

Yes!

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ZCanadian · 08-07-2018, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero

It's the same as i30 N, isn't it?

Don't know. Anyone? Bueller?

Hotrodz · 08-07-2018, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Don't know. Anyone? Bueller?

It looks like the i30 is different than the Velositer. It think the "N" line will be like Nissan's Nismo.

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Quicksilvers · 08-08-2018, 05:29 AM

I could only see Hyundai getting worse over the years to come. The worst most unreliable vehicle I ever owned was a Hyundai Azrea I would never purchase a Hyundai again. Hyundai’s resale value is one of the worst in the automotive industry right next to Kia. I found that there are a lot of parts that are not covered with the Hyundai warranty on their vehicles. Why support the Korean economy? In my opinion the looks/body style of the Hyundai Veloster leaves a lot to be desired. Nissan is getting into the Hybrid/electronic vehicle market and is more aimed this direction than performance. Fortunately Nissan will keep the Nissan GTR model but unfortunately for 370Z enthusiasts the 370Z model will be discounted in 2020. Hopely Nissan will come out with the 400Z or similar performance vehicle to help keep Nissan in the performance vehicle market. We have yet to see what Nissan/Infiniti will unveil to the vehicle market in the next year or two?

Hotrodz · 08-08-2018, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilvers

I could only see Hyundai getting worse over the years to come. The worst most unreliable vehicle I ever owned was a Hyundai Azrea I would never purchase a Hyundai again. Hyundai’s resale value is one of the worst in the automotive industry right next to Kia. I found that there are a lot of parts that are not covered with the Hyundai warranty on their vehicles. Why support the Korean economy? In my opinion the looks/body style of the Hyundai Veloster leaves a lot to be desired. Nissan is getting into the Hybrid/electronic vehicle market and is more aimed this direction than performance. Fortunately Nissan will keep the Nissan GTR model but unfortunately for 370Z enthusiasts the 370Z model will be discounted in 2020. Hopely Nissan will come out with the 400Z or similar performance vehicle to help keep Nissan in the performance vehicle market. We have yet to see what Nissan/Infiniti will unveil to the vehicle market in the next year or two?

Only time will tell, a lot of people said the same thing about Toyota and Datsun when they started importing cars and other products to the US. In 2020 I will be 78 and I'm pretty sure I will be just fine with a car that will drive me around, LMAO. But until then I gonna burn up some rubber in my old outdated 370z!

ZCanadian · 08-08-2018, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilvers

I could only see Hyundai getting worse over the years to come. The worst most unreliable vehicle I ever owned was a Hyundai Azrea I would never purchase a Hyundai again. Hyundai’s resale value is one of the worst in the automotive industry right next to Kia. I found that there are a lot of parts that are not covered with the Hyundai warranty on their vehicles. Why support the Korean economy? In my opinion the looks/body style of the Hyundai Veloster leaves a lot to be desired. Nissan is getting into the Hybrid/electronic vehicle market and is more aimed this direction than performance. Fortunately Nissan will keep the Nissan GTR model but unfortunately for 370Z enthusiasts the 370Z model will be discounted in 2020. Hopely Nissan will come out with the 400Z or similar performance vehicle to help keep Nissan in the performance vehicle market. We have yet to see what Nissan/Infiniti will unveil to the vehicle market in the next year or two?

Why support the Korean economy? Well, because it isn't the Chinese, perhaps?
What device did you type that on, because I'll bet it was made in one or the other! LOL.

I'll respond to your anecdote about reliability of old Hyundai product with my own - my wife's old Pony was her favourite vehicle next to the 370Z. Reliable as hell, and drove through the worst blizzards, too. Sadly, it was prone to rust. But those were disposable cars just like the early Datsuns were in their day.

I think that Hyundai and Kia will continue to emerge as automotive stars for years to come. They've made huge strides in reliability and respectability of late. As long as they don't blow the momentum, I think that companies like Nissan need to watch carefully over their shoulders. While Nissan is faffing about with batteries, they might well be overtaken by a Korean 2 litre!

*J*ap***V*et* · 08-08-2018, 02:15 PM

I think a bunch of the hyundai hate goes unjustified. They certainly aren't the same car company 10 years ago. The Veloster was in my top 5 when I was car shopping. Trust me no manufacturer is perfect but my how Hyundai/Kia have come a long way. I see nothing but absolute progress with the Korean car brand and they will undoubtedly be around for some time. They have made a little something for everyone and that is rhe appeal. Plus a solid warranty and fair pricing...it is a hard bargin to pass up.

Zingston · 08-08-2018, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *J*ap***V*et*

I think a bunch of the hyundai hate goes unjustified. They certainly aren't the same car company 10 years ago. The Veloster was in my top 5 when I was car shopping. Trust me no manufacturer is perfect but my how Hyundai/Kia have come a long way. I see nothing but absolute progress with the Korean car brand and they will undoubtedly be around for some time. They have made a little something for everyone and that is rhe appeal. Plus a solid warranty and fair pricing...it is a hard bargin to pass up.

I totally dig that Stinger GT!

08-06-2018, 04:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,061 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60273	Well, Hyundai can... So why can’t Nissan? It seems that the other Korean twin isn’t standing still and letting Kia’s Stinger get all the kudo’s. They appear to have breathed new life into the Veloster. Now, before you all go and lose your lunch at the mention of that name, have a read of this: https://driving.ca/hyundai/veloster/...dai-veloster-n First Drive: 2019 Hyundai Veloster N Turns out, Hyundai knows how to build an exceptionally capable hot hatch by COSTA MOUZOURIS \| July 24, 2018 NÜRBURG, Germany — Sir Jackie Stewart called it the Green Hell. It’s known informally as the Ring. Nürburgring Nordschleife is the infamous stretch of asphalt that winds through the forests of Germany’s Eifel Mountains; it’s a racetrack renowned for its 20.8-kilometre length, uber-challenging layout, steep inclines and very high-speed straights and not-so straights. The 2019 Hyundai Veloster N was developed here, which says a lot about a car the Korean automaker is hoping will help readjust the perception of a brand known more for value and a good warranty, rather than for performance and fun. Well, we’re here at the Ring to wring out the Veloster N. If you’re curious about the N, it stands for Namyang, the location of Hyundai’s R&D centre in Korea. N is Hyundai’s high-performance division — think Mercedes-AMG or BMW M. And there is a big German connection to the Veloster N — it was developed as a collaborative effort between the Namyang R&D centre and Hyundai Motorsport, the Korean company’s race division based in Alzenau, Germany. It’s staffed in part by former BMW M head Albert Biermann, and Thomas Schemera, former head of BMW M’s U.S. branch. Hyundai Motorsport currently leads the WRC drivers’ and manufacturers’ championships, with driver Thierry Neuville at the wheel of an i20 rally car. The Veloster has been redesigned for 2019 and among other changes, it has shed its trailing-arm rear suspension for an independent multi-link setup, which should get the attention of hot hatch enthusiasts. The N has unique front and rear fascias, spoiler, rear diffuser and LED lights to distinguish it from its non-N counterparts, and the openings in the bodywork are functional — the front bumper openings, for example, are connected to ducts that cool the brakes. Power comes via a 2.0-litre turbocharged four that develops 275 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft. of torque. That’s less than the Honda Civic Type R, Ford Focus RS and Volkswagen Golf R, but Hyundai is not interested in engaging in a horsepower war. Rather, it’s opting to tune the chassis for balance and excellent feedback, factors that are emphasized during two fast laps of the Ring. The Veloster N will be available only with a close-ratio, short-throw six-speed manual, which is complemented with a rev-matching function that can be turned on or off via a dedicated steering-wheel button. Power transfers to the front wheels through an electronically controlled limited-slip differential. The front seats are firm and designed to keep you planted while cornering. When driving, you can tell a racing department designed the steering wheel; the mode buttons are highly visible and easy to access. On the left of the wheel is the normal mode button, which cycles through Eco, Normal and Sport modes, while on the right is the fun button, which cycles between N and N Custom modes. N mode places the throttle, steering, suspension, differential, and exhaust sound into their most aggressive settings, while also introducing robust popping in the exhaust when letting off. The amount of adjustability found in N Custom is astounding, as you can set engine mapping, exhaust sound, steering wheel and suspension firmness, differential settings, launch control, and a few other parameters individually, and keep them in memory. I begin in N Custom, with all parameters at their most aggressive settings except the steering, which is set to Sport, and suspension, which is set to Normal, since the track is bumpy. I follow Hyundai’s lead driver, who is well versed in Nürburgring and sets a pace like he’s trying to escape. An indication of just how good this car is, is that without any time to get accustomed to it, I follow the lead car right off the start at a blistering pace, in complete control with unwavering confidence — I don’t feel like I’m fighting to keep up. The folks from Hyundai said they aimed for a well-balanced package, and the Veloster N is that — as well as forgiving and very, very fast. Suspension components and steering geometry are unique to the Veloster N, and the electrically adjustable suspension has a very broad range of adjustment, going from firm yet acceptably compliant in Normal mode, to racetrack rigid in Sport Plus. Initially the suspension proves too soft in my chosen setting, so a push of the N button selects N mode, which sets everything to its stiffest, sportiest setting. This sharpens the car even further, and it returns remarkable, confidence-inspiring feedback and control. One area where the Veloster N really impresses is in the Karusell, a concrete-lined, steeply banked turn that sinks you hard into your seat. You can carry about 30 km/h more speed through this banked corner than if it were flat. Here, the Veloster N just rails through with complete confidence, while managing the rough junctions at entry and exit with absolutely no drama. One interesting note is that the Veloster N was designed to be driven aggressively with the electronic stability control turned on, particularly here at the Ring. The guys at Hyundai Motorsport had discovered during testing that the extreme conditions of the Karusell would trigger the ESC to slow the car almost to a stop, so they actually programmed the ECU to detect these unique conditions and allow the car to rail through it, flat out. The brakes were sourced from a larger, Euro-spec Kia Optima, but with dedicated brake pads. Despite the lack of “Brembo” cast into the calipers, the brakes are very strong with excellent feel and feedback, and no discernible fade after two hard laps. The Veloster’s 19-inch wheels are equipped with Pirelli P-Zero tires as standard, and they grip tenaciously. Corners at the Ring range from hairpin-tight to flat-out sweepers. Yet regardless of how sharp, the Veloster N exits turns with the throttle to the floor and without a trace of understeer, the limited-slip differential doing as it should. In fact, lifting the throttle at corner entry gets the rear loose just a tad, providing scalpel-like steering. Along one twisty section, with blind corner after blind corner, I follow the lead, who never lifts or brakes at speeds that would have me shutting my eyes if I didn’t need them to drive — yet the Veloster N continues to handle predictably and precisely. It’s clear that this Veloster is designed to handle racetrack outings right out of the showroom, but it also has to be versatile enough to drive everyday. The following day, we take an hour-long tour along the roads surrounding the racetrack. Having had my fill of N mode, I switch to Normal mode for the street, with a quieter exhaust note and softer suspension. The Veloster N surprises again with a composed and compliant ride, though it should be noted that the roads surrounding the racetrack are impeccably paved and board-smooth, save a couple of bumpy sections. The steering is nicely weighed even in this mode, and power, although soft on initial throttle opening, livens up when needed. Along a section of traffic-free, unrestricted autobahn, I let the Veloster N breathe, taking it to an indicated 250 km/h, its claimed top speed, which it maintains with complete stability. While a base Veloster N will be available in other markets with 250 horsepower, smaller brakes, and 18-inch wheels, only the hopped-up performance package model will be available in Canada, with no further options or packages, and is expected to come in below CDN$40K. Hyundai’s brain trust had mentioned many times during the program that they’re trying to introduce fun to the brand — well, they’ve added a whole lot with just this one car. zero, UNKNOWN_370, 2011 Nismo#91 and 1 others like this. Last edited by ZCanadian; 08-06-2018 at 04:36 PM.

08-06-2018, 05:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jap**Vet* Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 479 Drives: 2009 370z Rep Power: 115134	I to this day still want a veloster. It's what the crz should've been in all honesty. Certainly not a bad commuter with a bit of pep! UNKNOWN_370, 2011 Nismo#91 and ZCanadian like this.

08-06-2018, 07:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	Yup, I have been following the development of the "N" and the testing they have been doing. They are racing the car all over the world in the new TCR class and giving the Audi RS3 a run for their money. They are also doing it up on the rally car circuit. Hyundai is a player! Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk UNKNOWN_370, ZCanadian and Jap**Vet* like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

08-06-2018, 08:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14034	I posted in a different thread i drove a 2019 Velsoter turbo two weeks ago. All the bells and whistles including a HUD and dual clutch. Thing was awesome DESPITE it being wrong wheel drive. Can only imagine the N version. UNKNOWN_370, Hotrodz, ZCanadian and 1 others like this. __________________ '14 3.8 Genesis Coupe, '13 Volvo S60, '04 Honda Accord, '13 370Z-sold, '05 350Z Touring-sold, '92 300Z Twin Turbo-sold, '82 280ZX-gone, '79 260Z-gone

08-06-2018, 10:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	It will be interesting to see how it matches up against the Type R and other similar hot hatches. It seems that the car manufactures are figuring out how to deal with torque steer and the inherent understeer issues. UNKNOWN_370 and ZCanadian like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

08-06-2018, 10:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
zero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,259 Drives: MK 7.5 Golf R Rep Power: 23	It's the same as i30 N, isn't it? __________________

08-07-2018, 11:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
Chasingstatus Base Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: N/A Posts: 158 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 11	I knew at some point of durng my lifetime I was going to have to start respecting Hyundai. This is the first I've seen of this little thing and it looks like it's going to cruise. I feel like my parents and grandparents how they felt about Japanese cars in the beginning, I'm definitely coming around. ZCanadian and Jap**Vet* like this. __________________ Another one bites the dust.... Last edited by Chasingstatus; 08-07-2018 at 04:38 PM.

08-08-2018, 05:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
Quicksilvers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2017 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,039 Drives: 2017 370z Rep Power: 25463	I could only see Hyundai getting worse over the years to come. The worst most unreliable vehicle I ever owned was a Hyundai Azrea I would never purchase a Hyundai again. Hyundai’s resale value is one of the worst in the automotive industry right next to Kia. I found that there are a lot of parts that are not covered with the Hyundai warranty on their vehicles. Why support the Korean economy? In my opinion the looks/body style of the Hyundai Veloster leaves a lot to be desired. Nissan is getting into the Hybrid/electronic vehicle market and is more aimed this direction than performance. Fortunately Nissan will keep the Nissan GTR model but unfortunately for 370Z enthusiasts the 370Z model will be discounted in 2020. Hopely Nissan will come out with the 400Z or similar performance vehicle to help keep Nissan in the performance vehicle market. We have yet to see what Nissan/Infiniti will unveil to the vehicle market in the next year or two?

08-08-2018, 02:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jap**Vet* Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 479 Drives: 2009 370z Rep Power: 115134	I think a bunch of the hyundai hate goes unjustified. They certainly aren't the same car company 10 years ago. The Veloster was in my top 5 when I was car shopping. Trust me no manufacturer is perfect but my how Hyundai/Kia have come a long way. I see nothing but absolute progress with the Korean car brand and they will undoubtedly be around for some time. They have made a little something for everyone and that is rhe appeal. Plus a solid warranty and fair pricing...it is a hard bargin to pass up. Firebase99 likes this.

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