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Thinking about the RC F as a replacement for the Z. Anyone gone this route? I know it's heavy, but in 4 yrs of owning the Z, I have yet to track it. It would be a garage queen, weekend car for fun. Just think I want something more on the luxury end. Seems like a good option for power, performance, style and comfort. The grill is something I'm undecided on too. Also considering the Q60 red sport, but I just don't think it reaches the performance or the luxury.

Edit - Almost 3 months to the day, I took delivery of an RC-F. I don't think you can really compare it to a Z. It is quick and sporty, but less of a sports car. The Z is kinda rough, directly connected to the road, loud, quick and abrupt where the F is fast, smooth, elegant, controlled, refined, quiet and comfortable. I really really enjoyed the Z, no regrets for my time with it and will miss it. Gotta say this is the best car forum I've been a part of and was a big part of my Z experience, Thanks!

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Might be a left-fielder, but have you thought about a Jag F-type?

What are the odds that you will ever track it?

Seems like that might be your deciding factor based on your considerations.

I would say don't ever sell the Z :driving:

Why not bring the Z out for a track day? You will not get any ideas from me you are forbidden to ever sell that beautiful Z of yours drive it and enjoy it.

I also have the hots for the RC F. It is a great car but the lack of a manual transmission is preventing me from making the final jump to a Lexus. Plus, the RC F is a heavy vehicle, not quite as nimble or fun to drive as my Z.

I'm a fan. It's heavy, but the trick e-diff makes it turn a lot better than you would expect. Plus, it sounds fantastic. It's like 90% of an M4 with Lexus reliability.

I agree Chuck. Plus it costs about 20% less than an M4 and you do not get to wear the "BMW I own the Road/Douche Bag" lapel pin in the RC F.

I have driven an RCF both on and off track, it does well considering its power to weight. Speed wise it is no different than a Z, dont let the 470 hp fool you. It rides a little harsh on road, but that is the "F" suspension.

The only thing I really disliked about the RC was visibility over the hood on track. With a Z car you feel like you are sitting "in" the car. In the RCF I felt like I was sitting "on" the car.

True, but you have to swap it for an "I drive a Lexus" pin!
(which is fine - if you are a retired doctor, you will fit right in).

:rofl2:

Kidding, of course. A lot of Lexus product is under-rated. I drove my boss' 2001 LS430 saloon the other day, and had a total blast. It's basically a V8 Camry with every conceivable luxury, but there's this one button on the dash called "sport" which was VERY compelling. ;-) Bet HE's never hung the tail out while turning left through an intersection, but the car was quite capable of it.

If you just want a car that looks different, sounds good, has some performance stats that won't knock your socks off but aren't bad either, then you could do a lot worse than the RC-F. I wouldn't take it in any trim below the F-Sport, though.

But I'd still cross-shop it against the (V6) Jag.

Then make sure you test drive whatever they hand out as loaner cars. The Jag is better looking, sounding, handling, etc. But it's a Jag. They're more reliable than they were, but that's not a huge step.

With due respect, I think they've come leaps and bounds since Tata bought them out - in terms of product, and reliability. There are a few issues, but they seem to be fiddly things like paint wearing off the paddle shifters. Not even in the league of the problems with old E-Types from days of yore! (and a lot of those were over-blown by the press, although no question that older Jaguars were far from trouble-free, and sometimes the problems were worth walking away from the car for)

I love the grill and that it is a Toyota. Unfortunately Toyota is killing me by sandbagging the introduction of the Supra. After all this wait and teasing it better be something special!

Agreed with BlackZeda

What about a Porsche Cayman?

I believe that Porsche is highly overrated and paying Porsche tax is no fun. When you go to the Porsche dealership service or parts department you will get racked over the coals every time. It is hard to believe that Toyota is waiting to come out with the Toyota Supra model after all this waiting. The Toyota Supra is a vehicle worth waiting for though despite Toyota’s engine choice for the Supra model.

What, exactly, makes Supra worth waiting for “despite Toyota’s engine choice”?
We don’t really know much about the production car. And the engine is the heart of any vehicle.
Not trying to be sarcastic, but I’m curious. Maybe this isn’t the thread to discuss it in (we have a Supra thread or two).

And I agree with your Porsche comments, although if you can afford it, then those cars are truly amazing. It’s typically those (like me) who cannot, who complain about the costs.

:iagree: The engine choice is the best part of that vaporware so far. If they're using the turbo 6 from BMW, it will make power very easily with a pretty reasonable parts budget.

Also, Porsche isn't overrated, it's just expensive. There's a reason they're the sports car benchmark.

Toyota not introducing the Supra would NOT prevent me from buying a Lexus RC F

You can get an Indy to service a Porsche for 60 percent of what a dealer charges.

That still sounds expensive :icon17:

Especially when the neighbourhood mechanic doesn't have the latest Porsche only tools and computer updates.

For that money I'd look at a zl1 or gt350

i personally would go for the lexus, that will be my next car more than likely. Love the m4 but all i hear is horrible stories. If you dont care about pure performance get the lexus the interior and exterior on them are pretty sweet

Time to move on to something different. Z has been great. Going for something with better fit\finish, comfort and ... oh a naturally aspirated V8. One of the best things about the Z is you don't see one at every corner. Even less with the RC F. 10 more days.

Congrats with the Lexus. It will be a fun car. Hows the automatic gearbox, is it still a CVT in this car or does the car actually rev? ;-)

It's not dual clutch, but definitely not CVT. It has rev match like the Z. But unlike the Z, it has 4 mode and in sport and sport +, it will hold the revs and let you push the car instead of trying to get the highest gear as quick as it can.

I drove one of these at the Lexus Drive and Compare. It’s a fantastic automobile especially with the Torque Vectoring rear end. Since you can’t get a manual transmission on many cars anymore, this would be a top contender if I was in the car market.

Nice exterior and interior colors!!!

At the weights these cars are coming in at... does the performance really matter? Cars have gone from total sports to sporty in a heartbeat. We're back in the early 90's again, just with a couple extra entries to choose from. I feel people like the RC-F cuz it's your only low maintenance choice n cheaper than a M4. 9/10th's of a bimmer? Toyota always gets hyped up like that when they're new. Just like the FRS, remember? The whole world was saying it handles like a Ferrari n everyone drank that kool aid for about a year.

These cars HIDE their weight well but... they still don't give that performance we like. (Except the Alfa... how the eff?) Specialty muscle has been a blessing in this market in terms of performance. But mostly, the market is uninspired past giving you styling, a nice sounding synthesized engine and corners well on your local streets type handling.

The supra was supposed to bring back that feeling of total sports in the pkg we love at an attainable price... cuz the 86 sure aint doing it sespite its Ferrari handling reputation.

Smh.

I say.... if you like the RC-F buy it. It's a good handler on the street just like any other premium vehicle. It will accelerate within range of standard muscle and be much more plush than the competition.

The Lexus is indeed beautiful, and if you're looking for a classy weekender that's got plenty of pep in its step and are less concerned about performance, it's a wonderful choice.

Performance for the dollar goes to the freakin ZL1 though. What a beast for the money. It's absolutely incredible. My wife wants me to get a GT-R, and every time I consider it, I look over at the ZL1 and see a faster (stock for stock) car for less money and maintenance costs. With a manual transmission. And I'm a Nissan fanboy through and through (but far less so lately... they haven't given me anything new to fanboy over in 10 years.)

Sorry for my late post above - I now see you already got the Lexus. Congratulations! Excited to see what you think of it after having it for a while.