New Mustang 5.0L confirmed HP
 

Confirmed: 2011 Ford Mustang GT to offer 412-horsepower 5.0-liter V8 — Autoblog

Gotta say, nice job Ford - bout time.

Bet it'll be a fat pig too, major increase in engine weight, im guessing 3800 lbs.

You really think the 5.0L will tack on another 300ish lbs to that car?

No way.

Maybe not necessarily the engine alone, but i'll put my money on it no longer having a live axle, beefed up suspension, larger tires/wheels, more safety features, the list goes on, 3800 lbs is pretty realistic. This is only a guess and an opinion, nothing stated as fact. I'm also using the GT500 as a reference point, and that car is stupid fat.

I bet the live axle stays. One of the main reasons the car is so cheap. The front end is too heavy as it is, btw, it will only get worse.

Bad assumption.

5.4L Iron Block + huge, heavy heads + Supercharger/hardware = 3900+lb car.

The new 5.0L is also rumored to be an aluminum block this time around, so it should keep its heft down, unlike the iron block 5.4L.

I think the live axle will stay, because it saves their price point, and I'm saying it'll be ~3650lbs.

GT500 is always around 3800 pounds, but is also puts out the power needed to push that weight around. Live axle will stay, Ford has said "why stop using something you know best." The new GT will be sub 3500, putting it at the top of the 370z with leather/nav. With this 5.0L it will probably be king of the straight line for awhile unless GM can get their sh1t together and come out with a Z28 Camaro.

last I heard the z28 was coming out but it was going to take awhile. Live axle will stay it's a Mustang staple with the exception of the 03-04 Cobras. I can't foresee the Mustang guys will be happy with an aluminum block, it won't hold up to forced induction well without a rebuild.

I think they will just be happy to hear they have a 5.0L.

Uhm...I wouldnt make that claim so quickly. LSX's hold boost just fine with minor upgrades (most of the time, ARP rod bolts and an upgraded valvetrain is the biggies). Just because the 4.6L mod motor was a pile of **** under boost doesn't mean this one necessarily will be :)

stone age design, stone age technology, stone age quality, stone age reliability. send it to the junk yard

The Domestic hate runs strong in this one!

Ouch! :icon18:

Design is based on past Mustangs - Yes
Aged technology - Only the axle needs updating
Stone age reliability - WTF?
The Mustang is probably what has kept American muscle alive while all others died. It may be an age old tale, but it does what it does very well.

Are you refering to this?
http://i.current.com/images/asset/888/103/53/uILMTa.jpg

Holy cr*p, you found the new Camaro. :p
(Sorry Bobo, had to)

Little fun never hurts :)

true, true....but you still have to tell that to his back license plate. :(



:D

FlinstOwned.

Sounds to me like the engine will hold up to just about anything.

"What makes the brand-new V8 engine powering the 'Stang so potent is how engineers were able to allow the engine to breathe. All-new heads sit atop an all-new aluminum block with cast-iron cylinder sleeves. The wide distance between the heads allows for the intake ports to sit vertically on top of the engine. The engine features four valves per cylinder and twin independent variable valve timing. Tuned exhaust headers eliminate the need for aftermarket headers to let the engine breath better. Inside the engine are a forged-steel full counterweight crankshaft and four-bolt main bearings and high-performance pistons and connecting rods.
The new 5.0-liter Mustangs can be fitted with either the 6R80 automatic transmission or the MT82 six-speed manual."


-Autoweek

http://www.the370z.com/members/vipor...culasaurus.gif ok ok funny, lol

Very interesting

why is that? this would only last until we run into the first corner, whereby i will successfully cut the apex and fly off into the horizon, while the antiquated mustang will spin out and crash into a ditch:excited::roflpuke2::happydance:

i'm canadian. ford is no more "domestic" than a fiat.

Ok ... stop fooling yourself... the thing has 400 ponies... thats a LOT... it will rape you in the high end and i am sure there exists a track where the stang would beat the piss out of the Z... and vice versa... but if you are talking about which car is going to be more rewarding to drive / feel / live etc - thats a different story...

Cool, what are those tires, BridgeSTONES :icon17: 795/35/15'S :tup:

Here is an article comparing the 2 :tup:

don't get me wrong, I love my Z, and in stock forum it will run circles around the mustang in a canyon cruise. On the other hand, I've owned 4 (modified) mustangs, and for very little money put into a few upgrades they can really shine. They really are a lot of bang for the buck, I beat the crap out of those cars and was really surprised at how well they held up to the abuse. Anyone that would disregard the 2011 Mustang with 400+HP as not being a real competitor, obviously lacks experience. We all know you can make any car go fast and handle good, it just takes money. :tup:
Not planning on trading in the Z anytime for a 2011 mustang though. :tiphat:

2010 Ford Mustang vs. 2009 Nissan 370Z Comparison Test on Inside Line

Pharmacist is from Canada though, so technically the Mustang isn't domestic. He's hating on an import!!! :ugh:

Damn, I didn't read this far and i've already posted while it was pointed out 3 hours prior.. :mad:

typical american mentality. always obsessed with straight line speed. the only track where a mustang would win would be an oval. in fact that's the whole raison d'etre of the mustang, typical american design, just keep dropping bigger and bigger engines making more and more horsepower, while utilizing chassis and suspension design from the dinosaur era. mustang is no bargain, if anything it's incredibly overpriced for what you get. im sure if nissan dropped a 5 liter v8 it would make in excess of 450 hp and the z would smoke any mustang even in a straight line

so? put money into the z and it would still be faster than the mustang.mustangs do not handle well. they're not made to handle well. and why are they bang for the buck? you used to get a pos car wrapped around two pos underpowerd engines. now for 2011 you get a pos car wrapped around somewhat decent engines. basically, you're paying tens of thousands of dollars for an engine :rolleyes:

no problem though, with attitudes like those of the above comments, ford knows it can keep offering the solid axle mustang well into the 22nd century and people will still buy it.:rofl2::bowrofl:

that isnt the correct mustang, the mustang 5.0 hasnt had a final release of specs so they really havent made any bulletproof comparisons..

So...what if the Mustang turned a faster lap time than the 370Z at a price less than, Pharmacist?

Old technology or not, >400 ponies is a good chunk of power, and you're doing nothing but being elitist/ignorant to any car that doesn't have an IRS. Just because you don't like the Mustang doesn't mean that legions of other people should. By virtue of viewing the 370 like you view the Mustang, the 370 is a pig (almost 3400 lbs - slightly less than my old 4th Gen Camaro) of a 2-seater sports car that should weigh less and be smaller considering it has NO utility at all.

Ford has proven that it can make a solid selling car out of the Mustang, and just because you're jealous that Ford can sell them like hot cakes shows. The VAST majority of people who buy them are going to do nothing but daily drive them anyway, so what do they care if the car has an IRS or a live axle? For that matter, wheres YOUR track credentials? You talk a lot of smack for someone who I don't recall posting any auto-x or track stories...

ive always loved the muscle and imports, i love the muscle vs imports fights even more.

the fact of the matter is..the mustang weighs waaaaaaay less than those other muscle cars, and produces just as much HP.. i give ford props for making a strong car like that, cuz for many years ive seen nothing but chicks driving those mustangs, not that its a bad thing, but it started to lose its muscle car title

If the General would have made the new Camaro 300-400 lbs less, I'd be a Camaro owner right now.

so much nonsene in your post. first of all, a stock mustang would NEVER defeat a 370z on a track actually oriented towards handling and cornering ability.

there you go again with the typical american mentality. you make it seem like a car is no more than the sum of its horsepower. 400 hp big deal. you can get a turbo 4 banger evo X with minimal mods to make that much power, of course it also has excellent handling to go with it.

yeah, i guess all those other automakers that abandoned solid axles in favor of irs were all motivated by ignorance and elitism :inoutroflpuke:

and weight-wise, the 370z may not be light but it's not very heavy either compared to other cars of similar size. heck the aston one 77 with all its fancy carbon fibre body i think is only 100 lbs less than the z.

yeah, ford is able to sell lots of mustangs, so what? dodge also made a successful selling car out of the caravan, and toyota sells tens of thousands of corollas. what's your point? Meanwhile, mclaren had a tough time selling the f1. what is your point?

and yeah, the majority of ferrari and lambo owners never track their cars and only drive them on the street to show off. so what? should ferrari cut costs by downgrading the 458 italia back to solid axle, front engine, 5 sp manual, sliding one piston calipers, etc.....

and what do my track credentials have any relevance? this is a topic about the mustang, not my driving abilities. focus on topic

You underestimate the ability for a car that has a LOT of power to be able to pick up a lot of time on long straights, and you also underestimate the abilities of competent drivers to do what you perceive as unimaginable with a car. Case in point, Sabine at the Nurburgring, racing that silly delivery truck at times that'd blow your mind. I'd link the Youtube video, but sadly, Im at work.

You're misunderstanding my common sense with your so-called American mentality. I can understand and accept the fact that a car with enough power but less handling can POTENTIALLY beat a car on a track that has less power but better handling. I can ALSO accept the fact that spec Miatas with **** for power can smoke higher powered cars on a track. Many times, it just depends on the driver. And that is the part of the equation you are forgetting here. Furthermore, you're also forgetting the fact that the vast majority of people who purchase either of these cars has any track experience, and your amazing handling means precisely squat on the roads for the most part, minus zipping and zooming through traffic, and doing other illegal maneuvers.

Im not stating that anyone should cut costs or whatever, Im merely stating that Ford has found a method that works for them in building and selling the Mustang. To many, its a very attractive car, and reasonably priced at that. It has plenty of power for stoplight-to-stoplight racing, and given the right sticky rubber with some decent pads, I bet it wouldn't do half bad at the track. Sure, not quite as hot as if it'd have an IRS, but who cares as long as the driver is having fun?

Your driving repertoire has all the relevance in the world here - you're so quick to thumb your nose about the "ancient" technology here, what makes YOU the guy everyone should listen to about these dinosaurs on wheels? Have you driven one on the track and found it so terrifying you couldn't stand it anymore, and needed something with an IRS?

We should just forget about it. This is a 370Z forum so naturally there will be a lot of domestic hate. It just so happens that Pharmacist falls under the "moronic domestic hate" category.

It goes the same way on the Mustang boards... Only a handful of guys there are willing to recognize the capabilities of the 370.

The car guys here appreciate just about every car and know that the Mustang is a formidable track and strip car. The 2010 GT with Track Pack (i.e. Sport Package) is a formidable base for a track car -- .94 G on relatively skinny tires, 70 mph slalom... it's a very good car. Obviously it's not as track oriented as the smaller, 2-seat 370, but in the right hands I am absolutely positive a 2010 GT could school some bench racing, trash talking 370 driver on any track.

I'm sure the more technically oriented guys here will agree that this board has its share of bench racers and trash talkers who couldn't drive a 6MT to a 14 second quarter mile time if their lives depended on it.

The live axle argument is old and tired.

You obviously don't see the reason for keeping it so it's probably not worth explaining it to you, but against better judgment I will make an attempt anyways:

The majority of Mustang enthusiasts like to drag race their cars.

It's that simple. If enthusiast owners predominately preferred to track their cars, it would have an IRS.