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I am very happy the Stang will be able to lay that Camaro to rest. With 400 HP and at least less 200 pounds of weight, the Stang will be on top of the musclecar wars again!! GREAT for Ford!

Honestly.. the Stang should have had more power than the Z the whole time! The new Stang will not handle better than the Z still. Thus, the Z is still the handler while the Stang will be the straightliner. The more things change, the more they stay the same....

Can't wait to see the new Bullitt!!!
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I am very happy the Stang will be able to lay that Camaro to rest. With 400 HP and at least less 200 pounds of weight, the Stang will be on top of the musclecar wars again!! GREAT for Ford!

Honestly.. the Stang should have had more power than the Z the whole time! The new Stang will not handle better than the Z still. Thus, the Z is still the handler while the Stang will be the straightliner. The more things change, the more they stay the same....

Can't wait to see the new Bullitt!!!
I think it will be interesting, not sure I'd lay money on the stang. Camaro comes with 426 (curb weight 3849) in the 2SS. Although I cant find any news on what the new tires will be, the camaro runs 275s in the rear. The latest stangs have been running skinnier than that, which would give the maro a slight advantage hooking up (if they remain with the skinnier tires).
Good to see both brands at it though, no matter who would win!
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I think it will be interesting, not sure I'd lay money on the stang. Camaro comes with 426 (curb weight 3849) in the 2SS. Although I cant find any news on what the new tires will be, the camaro runs 275s in the rear. The latest stangs have been running skinnier than that, which would give the maro a slight advantage hooking up (if they remain with the skinnier tires).
Good to see both brands at it though, no matter who would win!
I guess I am still thinking at the road course... I am SURE we will see the comparo test!!!
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I am very happy the Stang will be able to lay that Camaro to rest. With 400 HP and at least less 200 pounds of weight, the Stang will be on top of the musclecar wars again!! GREAT for Ford!

Honestly.. the Stang should have had more power than the Z the whole time! The new Stang will not handle better than the Z still. Thus, the Z is still the handler while the Stang will be the straightliner. The more things change, the more they stay the same....

Can't wait to see the new Bullitt!!!
makes sense. though if i absolutely had to choose, i'd rather take the camaro. looks a bit better, and doesn't have a suspension from the beginning of last century.
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makes sense. though if i absolutely had to choose, i'd rather take the camaro. looks a bit better, and doesn't have a suspension from the beginning of last century.
Yet you talk about the Mustang being a bad road course vehicle and the Camaro has worse results than the Mustang. The only test the Camaro won on was the straight line race, which it one by less than .1 second against the Mustang.
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Yet you talk about the Mustang being a bad road course vehicle and the Camaro has worse results than the Mustang. The only test the Camaro won on was the straight line race, which it one by less than .1 second against the Mustang.
obviously if i had to buy a muscle car it would not be for road course perofrmance, since none of them is very good at it. being the best out of a bunch of crap performers still makes you a crap performer. obviously while the camaro has a theoretically superior suspension setup it hasnt been tuned properly by gm compared to ford's tuning of the live axle. still i'll take the camaro just to avoid the stigma of having a solid axle suspension
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makes sense. though if i absolutely had to choose, i'd rather take the camaro. looks a bit better, and doesn't have a suspension from the beginning of last century.
Jesus christ, you're as bad as all the muscle car morons calling any car with the logo of an Asian company a rice-mobile. Except, you're just the opposite. You obviously have no first hand experience in the racing department, so you aren't even using your ever-so-amazing IRS to a limit that a live axle couldn't compete with in the first place.

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Jesus christ, you're as bad as all the muscle car morons calling any car with the logo of an Asian company a rice-mobile. Except, you're just the opposite. You obviously have no first hand experience in the racing department, so you aren't even using your ever-so-amazing IRS to a limit that a live axle couldn't compete with in the first place.

why does everyone turn a thread that is supposed to be about certain cars into a debate about my driving skill? how is that relevant? its a sure sign of intellectual bankruptcy, and lack of good arguement.

of course i haven't raced yet. i just go the car in july and when the break in period was done it was already winter. still waiting for summer to go and on the track
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why does everyone turn a thread that is supposed to be about certain cars into a debate about my driving skill? how is that relevant? its a sure sign of intellectual bankruptcy, and lack of good arguement.

of course i haven't raced yet. i just go the car in july and when the break in period was done it was already winter. still waiting for summer to go and on the track
Its relevant because you're thumbing your nose about "ancient" technology, except that you aren't even pushing your newer technology to a point that the old **** couldn't handle also. You probably putt around town, go to work and go golfing - how could a live axle NOT meet those requirements?

The argument is perfectly relevant, because it shows your complete ignorance. MANY people have successfully raced live axle cars.
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Its relevant because you're thumbing your nose about "ancient" technology, except that you aren't even pushing your newer technology to a point that the old **** couldn't handle also. You probably putt around town, go to work and go golfing - how could a live axle NOT meet those requirements?

The argument is perfectly relevant, because it shows your complete ignorance. MANY people have successfully raced live axle cars.
Exactly.

He issues blanket statements based solidly in his unreasonable perception of truth. If it's not at the forefront of automotive technology, it's inferior... period! It can't perform! It's not worthy! End of story.

He ignores all fact and substitutes reality with the one that suits his opinions best. Even though Mustangs prove themselves time and time again on the strip and track, in his world they can't make a corner without spinning out. It's obvious that in his world, competitive road racing sanctioning bodies like Grand Am don't exist where Mustangs compete against the likes of Porsche, Corvette, Viper, etc, and win on a regular basis.

It's not like the 1960's era Mustangs dominate Porsches of the 70s and 80s in HSR competition.

It's not like the Mustang chassis was redesigned from the ground up in 2005 featuring modern components, including a modern iteration of a proven live axle design!

That's right, folks... that old adage, "if it isn't broken, don't fix it," it doesn't exist! Not in this drug store, anyways.

It's pretty obvious that we have reached the point where ignorance trumps logic. Although we fight the good fight, the right fight, we can't win. It's like the "buyout" episode of The Office: If the Michael Scott Paper Company fails, Michael Scott will open another paper company the next day, and the next day, and the next day. Why? Because business isn't about money.

Folks, in his world, reality is not about truth, it's about misguided opinion.
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Exactly.

He issues blanket statements based solidly in his unreasonable perception of truth. If it's not at the forefront of automotive technology, it's inferior... period! It can't perform! It's not worthy! End of story.

He ignores all fact and substitutes reality with the one that suits his opinions best. Even though Mustangs prove themselves time and time again on the strip and track, in his world they can't make a corner without spinning out. It's obvious that in his world, competitive road racing sanctioning bodies like Grand Am don't exist where Mustangs compete against the likes of Porsche, Corvette, Viper, etc, and win on a regular basis.

It's not like the 1960's era Mustangs don't dominate Porsches of the 70s and 80s in HSR competition.

It's not like the Mustang chassis was redesigned from the ground up in 2005 featuring modern components, including a modern iteration of a proven live axle design!

That's right, folks... that old adage, "if it isn't broken, don't fix it," it doesn't exist! Not in this drug store, anyways.

It's pretty obvious that we have reached the point where ignorance trumps logic. Although we fight the good fight, the right fight, we can't win. It's like the "buyout" episode of The Office: If the Michael Scott Paper Company fails, Michael Scott will open another paper company the next day, and the next day, and the next day. Why? Because business isn't about money.

Folks, in his world, reality is not about truth, it's about misguided opinion.
I read over the quick. If you are trying to say the Mustang handles well I disagree. My roomate has a 06 and I think the handling is ****. The thing feels like a damn boat to me.

Btw I would take a Trans AM > Mustang in previous years
 
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