Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 331932)

I am just a car enthusiast in general... I have no brand allegiances. And likewise, I am too stubborn to back away from the bench racing drivel. I always have to jump in and at least make it known that their words are nothing more than hate of a certain brand thinly veiled by their misinterpretation of their own understanding of how anything actually works.

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 331936)

Yes, high power might help play catch up on the straights and may help keep up with weaker but better handling cars. But tighter more technical tracks may negate this advantage. Regardless, taking corners is more fun, and requires better engineering and driving skill than simply going fast in a straight line.

Again, if it was all about a car meeting daily driver needs and nothing more, then no car would come with more than 250 hp, no car would have a top speed greater than 120 km/h, no car would come with high performance summer tires, or big brakes and calipers. In fact, we'd all be driving minivans and crossover suv.


And where does this drivel about mustangs being a good bang for the buck come from? Over here, the 2010 gt mustang with the v8 4.6 engine that makes a measly 315 hp, FIVE speed manual, and the optional track package has msrp of about 41000. The 370z touring with about 15 hp more out of a v6 with almost 1 litre less displacement, SIX speed manual with SRM, independent suspension, and the sport package has an MSRP of 45500. Hardly a bargain considering the z is faster, better quality, better fit and finish, better reliability, better image, and better resale value.

Car making should be about innovation, about new technology. That's why they have engineers, and an R and D budget. Their objective should be coming up with something new, refreshing and updating their product, and push themselves to their limits, not just recycling stale outdated products just because people keep buying them. Look at nissan, they created innovative new technology with the vvel, synchrorev, and in the future possibly direct injection. did they have to do that? no. would people buy nissans if they didn't? for sure.

Speaking of innovation, i heard that nascar has recently taken a very bold and innovative step and will begin experimenting with fuel injection :rofl2::bowrofl:

Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 331827)

So...what if the Mustang turned a faster lap time than the 370Z at a price less than, Pharmacist?

Old technology or not, >400 ponies is a good chunk of power, and you're doing nothing but being elitist/ignorant to any car that doesn't have an IRS. Just because you don't like the Mustang doesn't mean that legions of other people should. By virtue of viewing the 370 like you view the Mustang, the 370 is a pig (almost 3400 lbs - slightly less than my old 4th Gen Camaro) of a 2-seater sports car that should weigh less and be smaller considering it has NO utility at all.

Ford has proven that it can make a solid selling car out of the Mustang, and just because you're jealous that Ford can sell them like hot cakes shows. The VAST majority of people who buy them are going to do nothing but daily drive them anyway, so what do they care if the car has an IRS or a live axle? For that matter, wheres YOUR track credentials? You talk a lot of smack for someone who I don't recall posting any auto-x or track stories...

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 331858)

so much nonsene in your post. first of all, a stock mustang would NEVER defeat a 370z on a track actually oriented towards handling and cornering ability.

there you go again with the typical american mentality. you make it seem like a car is no more than the sum of its horsepower. 400 hp big deal. you can get a turbo 4 banger evo X with minimal mods to make that much power, of course it also has excellent handling to go with it.

yeah, i guess all those other automakers that abandoned solid axles in favor of irs were all motivated by ignorance and elitism :inoutroflpuke:

and weight-wise, the 370z may not be light but it's not very heavy either compared to other cars of similar size. heck the aston one 77 with all its fancy carbon fibre body i think is only 100 lbs less than the z.

yeah, ford is able to sell lots of mustangs, so what? dodge also made a successful selling car out of the caravan, and toyota sells tens of thousands of corollas. what's your point? Meanwhile, mclaren had a tough time selling the f1. what is your point?

and yeah, the majority of ferrari and lambo owners never track their cars and only drive them on the street to show off. so what? should ferrari cut costs by downgrading the 458 italia back to solid axle, front engine, 5 sp manual, sliding one piston calipers, etc.....

and what do my track credentials have any relevance? this is a topic about the mustang, not my driving abilities. focus on topic

Originally Posted by BrokenVow (Post 332366)

I wouldn't choose a Mustang over a Z unless it was a Terminator. But the difference in handling between the current Mustang and the Z is about the same as the Z vs the S2K; significant, but nothing catastrophic.

To me it seems like Pharmacist had a friend he really looked up to and aspired to be like, and that friend didn't like LRAs. So ever since, he has clung pathetically to the idea that live-axles are the bane of society, and he must at all cost insult them, despite a vast ignorance, lack of track time in any aforementioned vehicle, or a firm foundation at all, just to affirm that his friends opinion is correct, as to remain in that friends good graces.

But that's just what it seems like.

Originally Posted by Togo (Post 331132)

Pharmacist is from Canada though, so technically the Mustang isn't domestic. He's hating on an import!!! :ugh:

Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin (Post 332926)

I love Ford, I've owned a half dozen of them and will take a look at the new Mustang when it arrives. The lack of an IRS will stop me but I'm glad to see it's getting a real 6 speed finally. I'd also need that ridiculous mast antenna removed.