Bmw claims. Manuals and Dual clutch will be phased out...

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-01-2017, 08:17 AM

In a couple of years.

BMW M claims dual-clutch and manual transmissions could soon be gone

Rusty · 08-01-2017, 02:30 PM

Read that article.

Think the real reason is less warranty claims. Auto's soak up the sudden power inputs better because of torque management that gets programmed into the ECU. Plus cost savings of having only tranny, instead of multitude of tranny options. I look for other manufactures to do the samething.

Driving a stick is becoming a lost skill. Read an article about a car hijacking. The idiot hijacker got caught because he couldn't drive a stick.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-01-2017, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Read that article.

Think the real reason is less warranty claims. Auto's soak up the sudden power inputs better because of torque management that gets programmed into the ECU. Plus cost savings of having only tranny, instead of multitude of tranny options. I look for other manufactures to do the samething.

Driving a stick is becoming a lost skill. Read an article about a car hijacking. The idiot hijacker got caught because he couldn't drive a stick.

Lol. I mean some cars deserve a manual option. Especially low HP cars... What makes cars like the 86 fun is that they're manual. There's too little power in a 86 to have fun in the auto.

sunkist350z · 08-01-2017, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Lol. I mean some cars deserve a manual option. Especially low HP cars... What makes cars like the 86 fun is that they're manual. There's too little power in a 86 to have fun in the auto.

Don't forget the Mazda MX-5, I think Mazda will be the only automaker and Toyota if they continue the 86 to make manual transmissions

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-01-2017, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z

Don't forget the Mazda MX-5, I think Mazda will be the only automaker and Toyota if they continue the 86 to make manual transmissions

I didn't. That's why I said cars "like"

you maybe right though?

ZCanadian · 08-02-2017, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z

Don't forget the Mazda MX-5, I think Mazda will be the only automaker and Toyota if they continue the 86 to make manual transmissions

Cough, cough. Add the Civic & Fit to that list! ;-)

For performance and efficiency, CVT is the only way to go in the mid to long term. At least until the coming electric singularity. Just not the jerky, noisy, somewhat fragile CVT we use today. But when you think about it, this type of transmission can be set to ALWAYS be in the peak of the efficiency envelope, or ALWAYS stay at the top of the power /torque band. No interruption in putting twist to the tires. But it'll still be a hard sell to a potential Ferrari owner!

Once we're all 'lectric, this conversation will be moot. India said they want to be that way by 2030 (and everyone knows that if any country can accomplish that feat, India ain't it). Expect them to have agreed upon a national battery charger standard by 2070, and have the plans in place for the infrastructure by 3030. Which is about when the Indian mean income might actually be able to afford an electric car. Yet I just heard an entire, serious media report believing the goal. People are stupid!

SINISTER · 08-01-2017, 09:30 PM

A manual will always be and should be available...I am just glad I got mine...
BMW is not a trust worthy source for anything hell they cant even build a reliable engine for ther star M4 and M3...their S65 engine had bearing clearance problems causing engine failure and now their new S55 has engine crank hub issues.... so who cares what they say.
BimmerBoost - BMW ignores the F80 M3 & F84 S55 engine crank hub issue and is it the worst BMW M3 production engine defect of all time?

axmea? · 08-01-2017, 10:42 PM

I bought this t shirt that says "Real cars don't shift by themselves" just for fun. It's now a conversation piece anywhere I go. The reality is even though many of us have fun with it, its just not efficient.

Rusty · 08-01-2017, 10:52 PM

How many teenagers now know how to drive a stick? Not many. And these are your future car buyers.

If they can't drive it. They won't buy it. Car makers will only build what sells. Look at the suv's. Car makers build them because that is what is selling, and they make a lot of profit off of each one. How different models of suv's each maker has.

sunkist350z · 08-02-2017, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by axmea?

I bought this t shirt that says "Real cars don't shift by themselves" just for fun. It's now a conversation piece anywhere I go. The reality is even though many of us have fun with it, its just not efficient.

Great shirt, where did you get?

axmea? · 08-02-2017, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z

Great shirt, where did you get?

Got my 6 speed version from viralstyle. Teespring sells 'em for slightly more. Here's a pic but for their 4 spd.

https://teespring.com/shop/motherday...5845&sid=front

triso07 · 08-02-2017, 06:41 AM

In reality it's an antiquated piece of technology.

You can talk all you want about how great the feel is when driving, but you're essentially the same as people listening to records instead of digital music. A niche.

Cars are only going to get more digital and pass off driving onto their CPUs instead of their humans. Humans will sit in moving living rooms on their phones or laptops.

lovemyvq · 08-02-2017, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by triso07

In reality it's an antiquated piece of technology.

You can talk all you want about how great the feel is when driving, but you're essentially the same as people listening to records instead of digital music. A niche.

Cars are only going to get more digital and pass off driving onto their CPUs instead of their humans. Humans will sit in moving living rooms on their phones or laptops.

Not sure if serious. Will face palms be digital and performed by robot CPUs in this hell you speak of lol?

Cyber370 · 08-02-2017, 06:53 AM

The best Ferrari and probably the most visceral sports car ever made is the F40 and it only came one way, manual. I don't think it would've worked any other way. It may be antiquated but nothing can match the feel of shifting your own gears. It's a shame that the younger generation will never experience it. In the meantime, check out this vid. Enjoy

https://youtu.be/7mZdkfEeJH4

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UNKNOWN_370 · 08-04-2017, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyber370

The best Ferrari and probably the most visceral sports car ever made is the F40 and it only came one way, manual. I don't think it would've worked any other way. It may be antiquated but nothing can match the feel of shifting your own gears. It's a shame that the younger generation will never experience it. In the meantime, check out this vid. Enjoy

https://youtu.be/7mZdkfEeJH4

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The most visceral car now is the 4c. It has a dual clutch. Lol.

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,418 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	Read that article. Think the real reason is less warranty claims. Auto's soak up the sudden power inputs better because of torque management that gets programmed into the ECU. Plus cost savings of having only tranny, instead of multitude of tranny options. I look for other manufactures to do the samething. Driving a stick is becoming a lost skill. Read an article about a car hijacking. The idiot hijacker got caught because he couldn't drive a stick. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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SINISTER Track Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Earth's Toilet: Houston Posts: 552 Drives: 2013 370z NISMO Rep Power: 2154	A manual will always be and should be available...I am just glad I got mine... BMW is not a trust worthy source for anything hell they cant even build a reliable engine for ther star M4 and M3...their S65 engine had bearing clearance problems causing engine failure and now their new S55 has engine crank hub issues.... so who cares what they say. BimmerBoost - BMW ignores the F80 M3 & F84 S55 engine crank hub issue and is it the worst BMW M3 production engine defect of all time? __________________ Not to be able to stop thinking is a dreadful affliction, but we don't realize this because almost everybody is suffering from it, so it is considered normal. Last edited by SINISTER; 08-01-2017 at 09:33 PM.

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,418 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	How many teenagers now know how to drive a stick? Not many. And these are your future car buyers. If they can't drive it. They won't buy it. Car makers will only build what sells. Look at the suv's. Car makers build them because that is what is selling, and they make a lot of profit off of each one. How different models of suv's each maker has. UNKNOWN_370, axmea? and cigarclifford like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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triso07 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 174 Drives: xxxxxxx Rep Power: 15	In reality it's an antiquated piece of technology. You can talk all you want about how great the feel is when driving, but you're essentially the same as people listening to records instead of digital music. A niche. Cars are only going to get more digital and pass off driving onto their CPUs instead of their humans. Humans will sit in moving living rooms on their phones or laptops.

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Cyber370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 679 Drives: 2016 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 19372	Bmw claims. Manuals and Dual clutch will be phased out... The best Ferrari and probably the most visceral sports car ever made is the F40 and it only came one way, manual. I don't think it would've worked any other way. It may be antiquated but nothing can match the feel of shifting your own gears. It's a shame that the younger generation will never experience it. In the meantime, check out this vid. Enjoy https://youtu.be/7mZdkfEeJH4 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "That’s when you know you’ve found somebody special. When you can just shut the fck up for a minute and comfortably enjoy the silence.”-Mia (Pulp Fiction)* Last edited by Cyber370; 08-02-2017 at 07:00 AM.

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