When I'm "motoring briskly" I need the radar detector and WAZE going on to try and not talk to a badge. Sure would be nice to have it built in, on screen. I can rig that up on the Si but it's a pain.

It will be likely two years before I make a move on a car, and am watching the Lotus 400 for refinements and special editions. I'll survey the market, and hope that the electronics advance. Even if a Z35 or Type R scratch my itch.

It is ok to have niceties in a performance car. I have a full track car for otherwise.

They can keep their Honda Civic Type R, with all its records and awards. In no way would I take it over my Z. Plus all this mumbo jumbo about it being a stock vehicle is IMHO a bunch of propaganda to sell more Civics. Next!

85K civic type R

Someone Tried Selling Their 2018 Honda Civic Type R Spot For $85k

I wanted to heavily criticize this car for the hell of it once it actually started knocking on the doors of shipping containers headed for the US... but I can't.

This thing is a pretty solid performer, and all indicators point to it being priced right in line with its pool of competition. The Focus RS may be AWD, but is it running close to 2009 GT-R lap times on the nurburgring?

The STI is getting more expensive for this year - starting at close to $37k. Focus RS is $38k. All you guys talking about "it's a Civic" turn around and point to Golfs, Imprezas, and Focuses in the same breath and it's funny.

Would be a badass daily driver for the performance-minded driver all day. I'm not buying one, but this car will be sold in droves to Honda boys as it's the first legitimate Honda tuner car since the RSX Type S of the early 2000s. This will drive the competition in the market in a fantastic way and I'm not upset or insecure about this.

Rock on, Honda. Maybe the potential success of this car will make Nissan build a legitimate hot hatch kind of car instead of this weak sauce Sentra Nismo sticker pack bullsh!t.

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IDGAF what wheels the thing is driving, it's putting up impressive numbers and it's about time Honda stepped into the world of boosted 4-cylinders.

Reviews are in and as expected it, well received. Dam I wish I had the money for this DD.

New 2018 Honda Civic Type R Shines In First Review

The reviewer knew his stuff, spitting out info like he's Honda's marketing guy, I like that!

There's clearly a lot of hate for this car lol and it's obvious...the type R is literally the opposite of the Z!

Yes, I think the car is extremely ugly and even if it were aesthetically designed in a way that I like I would still choose the Z for the obvious reasons. However, I have to give credit where it's due. The car, for what it does, is super impressive! Looks are obviously subjective. The price seems to be in the ball park of the competitors, but at the end of the day a buyer will pay whatever they think the value of the car is.

Basically the type R sucks and Zs are the best :rofl2:

Fond memories of my 1998 Integra Type-R, number 313. Wonder where it is now and if its still living or wadded or modded/molested.....Not a super fast car, but handled so well and balanced. I enjoyed toying with people in 1 or 3 series BMWs at the time that tried to follow me on a twisty back road, only to see them tuck the front and almost go into the trees.

My main desire for AWD would be weather capability not performance. If AWD had the performance advantage under 500HP, I'm sure the Juke Nismo would have been AWD not FWD. Remember, AWD on cars like the GTR are so they don't spin out of control. Not to give them an advantage in corners. People get caught up in ADVERTISING and end up stereotyping just because a few supercars actually needed AWD to put the power down. A regular power civic won't need it if it's been well sorted in the suspension.

The civic looks a lil over the top and those seats are tacky but... it's an incredible machine and I think the performance is awesome. Reviewers are quick to point out the lack of torque steer is a brand new concept. Not really. Though I'm sure the civic has none whatsoever. The torque steer in the integra type R was so negligible that I considered that to practically have no Torque Steer. Honda has always had the potential to make The BEST. FWD cars money can buy. They just opted not to. For 15 years they performed an experiment to see if they can build shytmobiles and would they still get sales and awards. They succeeded at showing people are drones who will follow any advertising without letting their own senses make the judgement. Now they came back to the soul of the car market. The true enthusiast.I'm happy they did.

Glad to have you back Honda...

It is a bit off topic, but I kind of disagree with your first point, at least the cornering bit. AWD, especially on a properly torque vectored system, can give you an incredible advantage coming out of the corners. And that is especially true of higher HP cars and heavier cars like the GTR. Late braking is "4-wheel drive" on all cars and saves you maybe a few hundredths of a second, but coming onto the throttle earlier after the apex may gain you a few tenths. The more stable the car is under acceleration, the harder you can get into it before track-out. What 4WD gets you in that respect is that it lessens the likelihood of throttle-induced oversteer/understeer (and the resulting correction which usually involves some time off the throttle). I'm sure that a better driver than I would be able to do the same thing by simply rotating a rear-wheel drive car more at the apex, but most of these cars are not sold to or intended for professional racing drivers. The ones that do go to a racing home get tweaked anyway.

And my comment about the weight means that you HAVE to get on the gas sooner in order to get the corner exit speed up. The GTR has a lot of mass to accelerate, so the sooner you start fighting inertia the better.

The other thing that AWD will do for performance is give you maximum grip on all 4 for acceleration. In a FWD/front engine car, the rear wheels are essentially only there to keep the back bumper off the ground. Why not put some torque to them. Added advantage is that it will probably even out the tire wear front to back (not that anyone truly racing this car will care that much).

If you've ever driven a 4 wheel drive car in anger, back to back with its 2WD sibling, you'd probably have felt what I'm talking about. It isn't advertising (and no, I didn't just drink the Kool-Aid, LOL). ;-)

But I agree completely with your point that for most people the AWD system on the Civic Type R will be for safety. And that's a good thing. It just happens to be a party trick for the track as well. And your other points are right on, as well.

I agree, my 997 C4S really digs in and powers around and out of corners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08t5Yw38Uos

https://youtu.be/4x-UzNCwk2g

eww is all I gotta say about this Type R. Lol Z's all day :)

Well umm. I don't see how you disagreed with me in the sense that when you went on a rant about AWD having the advantage. You actually used cars as an example where I feel there IS AN ADVANTAGE. Lol. My point was a freakin' civic vs.. say... a standard wrx. You may not find the advantage in AWD on a track as it being a win. Maybe the wrx is less challenging in the corner? That's about it. You can still get the job done

There will be some advantages to AWD on road but the higher the horsepower, the more useful it is... the lower the HP. For urban use? Unnecessary, but always good to have.

My point is FWD well sorted can run with FWD based AWD cars with low HP numbers. The Mazda 3 did it. Even with nightmarish torque steer and cornering weaknesses.

All that said... RWD or go home!