Kia Stinger.... Theyre passing Nissan.
 

Let's see....

Kia's Maxima competitor is a RWD/AWD 8 speed auto a 365hp/376lbs of torque with LSD RWD and torque vectoring AWD. Gets to 60 in Z time and has a higher top speed than Z. 167mph.

We're not being outdone by Hyundai. We're being outdone by there bottom of the barrel brand. Kia.

Nissan is a joke.... Public Enemy, Change your song title from 911 is a joke, to Nissan is a joke. Smh. Game Over!!!

http://jalopnik.com/the-kia-stinger-...eel-1790949403

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Will Kia be introducing a 2,874lb coupe with similar specs shortly after? Like when they introduced the Genesis coupe???

https://www.google.com/amp/www.digit...ws-rumors/amp/

Game Over!!! smh.

Hyundai or kia are king of copy cats of car companies, this looks like a mich mosh of a Maserati ghbilia & the new alfa romeo and their own k900. Will never sell over the bmw.

WTF is Nissan doing?? Why have they dropped the ball on redesigning a new Z? They are going to start to lose loyal customers to other car companies if they don't start coming up with some new innovations.

I rather drive a great featured copy than a wacky do current Nissan Max. N I disagree with your analysis. This car looks like the optima which was Kia's FIRST ORIGINAL DESIGN. If anything. Our maxima copied Kia. How pathetic is that???

And if you're copying Maserati? You're doing it right!!!

N outsell BMW? I doubt this car is priced in BMW range. This is probably base Q60 range or top line maxima.

Exactly that.... Nissan is dropping balls everywhere. They just got beat at there own game. This car is a Q60 competitor!!! Possibly for less money.... And a potential coupe that weighs FRS light with 375hp? Sounds like a Cayman killer to me!!!

People can hang on to Hyundai insults all day long while getting beat at the track n making excuses....

Nissan driver friend asks....Dude.... why you lost to a Kia?
Nissan driver....I sprain my wrist n it made me granny shift.:roflpuke2:

NDF.... Dude that blows.

ND. It also didn't help that Nissan neglected the Z to squeeze another 50 miles out of a leaf that no one buys either....

NDF.... Dude buy a Kia... and win.

Nissan driver commits suicide. :bowrofl::bowrofl:

Nissan, you gutless bastards. You're going out like Honda and pre 2012 Toyota.

Your exactly right about the cayman killer, hell I think with the right driver and setup it might give a 911 a bit of a run. I just don't know what to think anymore Nissan is letting a timeless car slip through there fingers. I bet Mr. K is rolling over in his grave right about now.

He's probably trying to make his soul commit suicide. Poor man. Thanks Carlos Ghosn. You're a great soulless businessman.

Yea this makes me sad...

Heres a preview video ....

https://youtu.be/2FPCawYSfXw

This makes me sick... Nissan could do so much to out class both of these cars....

But they're not and as I narrow down my selections. The Alfa will be one of my two purchases. I'm just trying to figure out my coupe.

I should correct my statement... the KIA makes me sick.. I love Alfa's.

Other than red and 4 doors. I don't really see it at all but.... either way.... I'm pretty sure Infiniti won't be making a comparable Q60 to the Alfa. And I'm sure Kia will be an outstanding value. Let's face it. It's not just Nissan failing us.

Mitsubishi.... No AWD eclipse. No Evo.

Subaru... CVT WRX instead of auto or DCT option. Outdated STi

Mazda. No mazdaspeed3, no v6 Mazda 6, no mazdaspeed 6, no Rx 9, no mazdaspeed miata.

Nissan outdated underfeatured vehicles. Old Z, aging GTR.

Toyota... so far has made underperforming sports cars for the power level.

Honda. The NSX was a computer game on wheels way more than the GTR will ever be plus overpriced and nothing like the original NSX.

Because of Japan's blatant pussification of cars.... Korea is gonna prove themselves in the sports arena.

its a kia doe ?

https://m.popkey.co/15be73/LqgGG.gif

Really?

Honestly as soulless and outdated Nissan is becoming. Your comment is about as outdated as our Z's. At least Kia stepping up to the plate in such a SHORT amount of time. Our Z's got two updates. Kia introduced how many BRAND NEW cars in that time???

You need a reality check bruh.

Kia is taking over the industry, wont be long we'll all be driving one.

I dont like them, but I see them everywhere.

I was 100000% against H/K for years... Until I bought one, lol.

It looked better than its competitors, it had slightly more power, more features, more trunk space and cost less than the competition. I will admit, the materials aren't as nice, but, every generation H/K moves up a notch. They're not even cheap anymore.

We bought wifey a 2012 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T Limited, back in 2011. It's been with us now for 5.5 years and has traveled 90k miles, and it has been a fantastic ownership experience. The car has never let us down and has needed near nothing.

Han said it best in Tokyo Drift..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG-l_OJEWM4

kia needs to update very often bc they sux

the z needs no updates bc it rules

A brand new car isn't an update. You should really try reading comprehension sometime. And no, it's not a Kia deer.

kia needs new cars very often bc they sux

nissan needs no new cars bc they rules

That's an extremely well thought out argument expressed with just the kind of eloquence we've come to expect from you :ugh2:

besides innovation to lighten the chassis, not sure if technology is the key for us car folks. if they innovate dey give us dat pos DAS system and electronic clutch gearbox which is faking boring to drive as hell.

dey need to keep the car basic as possible but refined.. otherwise u just loose dat fun factor in cars.

subaru did the current STI right. using old technology but refined. thing is so fun to drive it is crazy to see it's a family sedan. fast responding and precise throttle, very nice short throw with close ratio gear box dat don't force u out of da gate while cold, hydraulic pump steering, ability to tune ur center diff for different driving bias/dynamics, good brakes. sounds perfect too imo, right out of da box. everything dat makes a car fun to drive. plus nice suede like alcantara seats and all. thing is downright awesome for only $40K+. it could use another 50hp, but with sub-5 sec to 60, its plenty for me.

370Z is kinda tricky to drive cause so much slop. Nissan just needs to refine dat, lighten da car, and give the next Z dat 400hp tt engine, give it a little retro look at $40K and walla..

You're so right about everything you said.... unlike madeinjapan. SMH. I mean, I never bought anything made in Japan that sucked. He was probably made with Chinese parts!! LMFAO!

:rofl2:

I think the Stinger looks revolting. Personally, I'd rather stick with my beautiful-looking Z for a couple more years, until they introduce another beautiful Nissan sports coupe, rather than be sidetracked by all these crap plasticky Kias and Toyotas.

Have no fear,
New Z will appear.

+1 on the STi analysis. Name a car with those attributes that is as fun to drive or better.....wait.....wait....there is not a single car because they have lost everything listed that works that is found in the STi. Maybe a 4C because its sans power steering and all, but lacks the utility of the STi. The car world, much like electric steering, is numb....cars are numb and sooner rather than later, we can all sit back and become more numb, as the things drive us around and we stare at electronics we are obsessed with....sad.

Why would you trade a 2 seat coupe for a sedan unless you're having a baby?

I love how you guys make the comparisons that don't make any sense to feel better about your purchases. You sound like EVERYBODY on here who floated to a mustang in 2011. The real competition is the maxima. Let's peep those stats for a second....

Nissan Maxima

HP. 300

Torque 261

Power train. 3.5 litre normally aspirated v6

Drive train. FWD

Transmission. 0 speed CVT

0-60. 5.9 seconds.

Sound system. 11 speaker unadvertised wattage.


Kia Stinger GT

HP. 365HP

Torque 376

Powertrain 3.3 twin turbo v6

Drive train RWD/FWD

Transmission 8 speed automatic w paddle shift

0-60. 5.1 estimated.

Sound system Harmon Kardon 15 speaker 720 watts


Now which one is the drivers car on paper? On top of that you can't tune 90HP out of it for $2,500 or less like most turbos. How much is it gonna cost us for 90HP.

I love my Z. It's a different n special car. But it's falling behind n I am not willing to lie to myself about the brand to feel better about my purchase. I can go out and buy a Z06 cash. So I have the option of having something else. What I want is a competitive Z done EXACTLY the way Kenchan explained what the Z needs to be.

As far as build quality. Well Hyundai is our quality competition.

Genesis outclasses infiniti quality to price so I think Kia isn't doing too bad considering.

Facts vs Bias fanboyism

amen

Yes - sorry about that - you're absolutely right that I wasn't comparing eggs with eggs. The Stinger and the Z are not to be compared.

I still think it looks crap and plasticky though - just like the Toyota GT86 looks okay until you get close to it.

...and just a small correction, if I may - I'm not trying to make myself 'feel better' about my purchase. I've owned Z's since 2004, even tried a 2014 BMW M car and come back to the Z because I love it. I don't need to make myself feel better - I feel quite nice as it is, thank you - and have done for 12 years.

Finally, thank you for the 'fanboy' tag. At 64 it's the nicest compliment I've had for years :)

Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Ive owned lots of Z's. Loved them all-for the most part. The 370Z is no doubt a better Sports car than any CURRENT flavor of Kia/Hyundai. Its simply flat out sharper, better, quicker, tighter in pretty much every metric. However, in my humble opinion, not by too much. Added to the fact it was considerably more expensive than my current ride with frankly nothing else. No leather, no moonroof, no Bluetooth, no nav, no smart phone interface. Rather jarring ride, kind of a crappy clutch, so so mpg with 93 octane ONLY. The Z34 is still in 2010. Thats why I only had it for 10 months. Its not like I was at the track every other weekend to enjoy the performance advantage it had, albeit slight. So in heavy south Florida stop and go traffic as a daily it pretty much sucked. I have no doubt WHEN Nissan introduces the Z35 it will be remarkable. They always are. But as of right now....the Z is just a dinosaur. The only brand loyalty I have is from a product that offers ME the best bang for MY buck.

• NISMO gets 6-Piston front/4-Piston Rear Sport Brakes - All other Zs get the existing 4-Piston front 2-Piston rear brakes. Crappy 2-piston "postage stamp" brakes from the Rouge are an embarrassment for the Z.
  
• NISMO gets Turbo, Engine Oil Cooler Standard, 450 HP or better with whatever suspension options needed to make the most of the additional power *and* a Twin-Clutch Transmission as a option - All other Zs 400 HP N/A and Twin-Clutch Transmission as an option.
  
• Recaro Seats stay with the NISMO. All other Zs lose the Family Values with the Ducalax Headrests seats. Replace them with ones similar in design to those in the GTR (no more heated seat options in the Z Nissan, please. It's a sports car not an SUV).
  
• And for God's sake, update the Tech Package will ya'? The screen looks like something out of an old Playstation. License Garmin for the navigation system.
  
• Can we do better than Bose for a premier audio system?

Just my personal wish-list for making the Z better/more exciting off the showroom floor...

Unless the Nismo gets over 500HP, I'm not sure we need more pistons. But they should improve on the current design to facilitate better cooling and function. Maybe a ceramic option would be nice but would you pay the extra $10,000 for a ceramic brake kit??? We don't have the Rouge brakes. The rouge had our brakes....

The Z should follow the Q60 heirachy of engines but keep the analog function of the Z34....

Anyway this top should be continued in the appropriate thread.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...t-new-z35.html

BACK ON TOPIC

A lot of people run the same status quo comments about Hyundai Kia like its still 1994. I will reserve my final opinions till I see the car.

Case and point.
Everyone hated the Q60 in pictures. Then they saw it in person. Opinions changed that quick. But the original opinion as stated was said in an unwavering negative way. People just wanted to hate the Q.

I personally gotta wait to hear a review and get all the info. Same with the sentra. People hated the Nismo sentra and they were right. But me personally. Until it's been driven by trusted reviewers. Or I don't see it in person. My opinion is very general....

How can I call something cheap or plasticky if I never sat in one....??? Maybe Kia has a history. Maybe pics show plastic? But till I sit in it n touch it.... I can't base my opinion on any facts...

Just sayin.

I will gladly hold on to my beautiful, semi-low-tech dinosaur thank you!

The GC was a good car. A 2800b 2.0L 315HP stinger coupe will be a better one.

Here's a gencoupe one take. It's a nicely done car with an amazing stock exhaust. That's what I noticed first in my test drives of the GC.

https://youtu.be/X2A37jIBi1s