Looks like another pig with lip stick on. As a 2 month kia optima sx owner 6 years ago I swore I'd never consider another kia/hyundai product. That's still the case today.

I remember taking a genesis coupe for a test drive a few years ago. Something was bound up in the rear end. Every thing the weight shifted there was this nasty clunk. How that passed PDI is beyond me.

Well, again, I imagine even a Bentley has a lemon or two over the years. Ive had nothing but trouble free cruising, knock on wood. I beat it up too. All the folks I know with kia/Hyundai are problem free too.

Wasn't there a recall or class action lawsuit filed for catastrophic failure in the 2.0 turbo engines .

Hyundai Sonata Engine Failures Prompt Recall - Consumer Reports

My main issue with the car was faulty front end geometry. The car refused to track straight, even after countless alignments, wheel/tire swaps, etc. This issue was shared by the sonata of similar vintage as well.

Toyota has had more recalls and CATASTROPHIES than any other car brand. But I guarantee all of you will strongly consider a Supra when it comes out....

I still strongly consider a mk4 supra till this day :rofl2: Its just hard to find a good condition one and not over prices.

:iagree:

Kia is making drivers cars....

Toyota sports cars.... going hybrid.

2020 Toyota GT86 And Subaru BRZ Replacements Expected To Receive Hybrid Tech - autoevolution


Which equals MORE NUMB steering.

Muted engine sounds

Less inspiring ride. Woo-hoo!! :wtf:

I saw that article and didn't even finish it...wtf who wants a video game car???

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Yeah, but the Sport Package brakes are better. And since the Z isn't a 600+ HP supercar, then I don't see the point in ceramics:tiphat:

You still don't need them! Ceramic brakes are over kill and not needed unless you are doing serious tracking...endurance racing!

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rental car place gave me a newish corolla da other week. it was just as bad as a kia so i think deyre onto something here, dem kias.

Our Z brakes are better than what? I'm lost. Than Rouge brakes? Or better than ceramic brakes?

Our Z brakes are better than what? I'm lost. Than Rouge brakes? Or better than ceramic brakes?


:iagree: Ceramics feel amazing but just not necessary on any application. Our brakes need to be re-engineered for weight reduction and improved cooling. Our brakes are very good. Especially at the price point. But we need aftermarket pads. I added the stop tech rotors, brake lines pads n motul rbf 600 to my sport brakes. It was a $700 MOD along with the GTR brake cooling upgrade. $220. I definitely improved brake performance significantly which means that there's a lot of room for improvement on very good Z brakes.

Hopefully next gen well see performance closer to my modded stock Z brakes

So many of you guys have "Get of my lawn" mentality. Its funny. Id be happy if Macy's brought a sports car to the table. So few have the grapes to do it, the more options, the better.

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:iagree: Ceramics feel amazing but just not necessary on any application. Our brakes need to be re-engineered for weight reduction and improved cooling. Our brakes are very good. Especially at the price point. But we need aftermarket pads. I added the stop tech rotors, brake lines pads n motul rbf 600 to my sport brakes. It was a $700 MOD along with the GTR brake cooling upgrade. $220. I definitely improved brake performance significantly which means that there's a lot of room for improvement on very good Z brakes.

Hopefully next gen well see performance closer to my modded stock Z brakes[/QUOTE]

Agreed...I have done the same; SS brake lines, better brake pads, Castro brake fluid (the good stuff lol), APR brake ducts, Stillen brake cooling and Z1 master cylinder brace. So yes there is a lot of room for improvement and if they are wanting to keep up with the competition, they will upgrade the brakes as did Ford and GM have done.

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I have a sneaking suspicion you might end up dissapointed. The best I figure we will see is Nissan returning to Brembos again. I hope they do, but I'm not holding my breath. Switching to Akebonos was a cost cutting measure, over the arguably more expensive and better Brembos from the Z33.

I dunno... Just look at the Z34 price point. We already know (or suspect) the 400hp TT setup is coming. Now add Brembos on top and whatever other improvements we want to see over the Z34, shiiiiiiet... We might be asking for a car that really does hit the 60k mark. Would you be willing to pay that price?

I'm secretly hoping Nissan pulls a magic card out of their *** and gives us the car [most] of us want, at a price [most] of us are willing to pay, but I guess time will tell if it actually hits the mark.

You're right in saying that GM and Ford added nice brakes, in addition to a ton of power and pretty nice handling suspensions (or at least way nicer than they did in the past), but one thing they didn't give a crap about was weight- the Z34 uses extensive amounts of aluminum and Nissan did their best to keep the weight down... That in itself isn't cheap. So which would you prefer? I doubt Nissan will give us everything.

If the infiniti doesn't have Brembo? We won't have Brembo. Nissan decided to go parts bin instead of the original plan and giving the Z a proprietary platform. So expect a lot of carry over from the infiniti on the Z.

What does the current 400hp Infiniti use for brakes? I wouldn't be surprised if that's what the new Z gets.

I can't say I'm surprised. Cars just cost so damn much to develop these days. But yeah, obviously Nissan is going the same route as they did with the z34 and z33. The only way I could see them going the route of a proprietary platform is if there was a cheap base model that they intend on selling many thousands of. But even that doesn't sound so compelling. I bought my Z bcause I don't see 50-100 of them everyday, like I do with the mustang.

It's moments like these I wish Nissan wasn't a publicly traded company, where they were hellbent on maximizing profits, year after year.

Agreed, but one can hope. The Camero was also put on a diet and is not as heavy as it was now that it has a aluminum frame. My car with me and a full tank of fuel are 3450 lbs.

Nissan has us by the short hairs and they know it because even with the cars short comings there are no real competitors as been said over and over. I love my z, I was the only one a the track one this past weekend and the professional photographer that was the only one that take and sale pictures took 47 pictures of my car over the weekend. When my buddy asked her why she took so many pictures of it, she said because it's different and it's fast. I like taking pictures of the unique cars!

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I own several vehicles(2 Nissans:33&34 ,a vintage Lotus,L Rover,Kia Soul for utility use).



The original KIA GT Stinger looked fantastic-live near the U.S. Kia plant.

However,as would have it,a concept most times does not make it into production.
The latest Stinger pics I have seen look--like everything else out there-disapointed!

Akebonos

How long before z35 guys are swapping z33 Brembos in? :D

At this point, I wish Nissan would just hurry the hell up and get the z35 out. By the time it does come out, the power train will already be several years old, so I wonder what they'll do to keep it fresh. It sounds like the concept will come out this fall, and then what, another year before its for sale? Sigh.

probably summer 2018 -19 when they start hitting dealer lots with huge markups, so if you want a car with all the bugs worked out and no dealer mark up you are looking at 2021 at the earliest.

Best quote on this thread that says it all.....

Japan's blatant pussification.....

Lol. You should of quotes the comment. Who said it?

The heart-pounding performance of the Kia Stinger


So far looking impressive.

The blue is VERY NICE...

https://youtu.be/ncDgAWpNJTQ

For what ever reason ever Japanese mfg is getting out of the low cost sports car market. (I suspect is has to do with future global emissions regulations not allowing for a lot of people buying high performance cars) The KIA stinger looks great BUT the pricing is way up there, 33k starting for the 2.0L, for the fully loaded version I was told, at the NY Auto show, close to 50k. I think also it's a fatty weighing in at 4k lbs won't make it a good turner.

I didn't know u could get an award for signal light design. Lol
Well Kia got one. Hyundai is rated best headlights in the biz. Go figure.

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It's no secret they're trying to be the pioneers of soulless EV cars... so, they don't want to put money into costly sports car R&D. If you look at it. At minimum Toyota is working with other companies to absorb the cost of putting out a sports car.

Nissan lamo's help Mercedes with their suspension in cars like the A45amg and the amg gts/gtr. Instead of building sports cars with Benz, in turn Nissan makes sport crossovers.

Bitches... they make me sick already.

The NISSAN MAXIMA just got MURDERED!!!

https://jalopnik.com/the-hatch-excel...-32-1818811469

The Genesis g70 faster than stinger. Maxima can't hang... At all. Cuz. Cvt fwd

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Nissans new stinger killer.... Lmfao

https://insideevs.com/new-nissan-lea...chinese-debut/

I am not going to lie. I really want the Stinger GT. Don't get my wrong, I still love my Z but manual tranny in LA traffic has taken its toll on me. If I were to total my Z today, I would walk out of KIA stealership with the new Stinger GT tomorrow. Very impressed and pleased with KIA stepping up there game. Japanese should be worried.

I certainly hope this car drives straight. Prior to the G, bought a 2011 kia optima sx (2.0 turbo). What I thought was just an insignificant alignment issue turned into a nightmare. The car was in the shop at least half a dozen times for alignments, tire rotations/changes, etc. The car would just not drive in a straight line. It would drift, requiring constant corrections. I was so fed up with this, took a loss and got rid of it 2 months later.

Sorry, no kias or hyundais for me any more.

I am impressed with this car, but something errks me about owning a Hyundai or Kia especially at this stingers 50k price tag. For this price I can get a new Audi s3, yes it has only 292hp but still faster 0-60 @ 4.6 seconds vs Kia 4.7. I would rather have a higher class key fob in my pocket than a kia key fob. If this car was at 35k it would peak my interest, but for 50k ill pass, sorry.