Beautiful, but I'm not into vert or targa I love the look of the fixed roof better.

[QUOTE=NISMO IX;3597706]Hey, Jeremy Clarkson is in love with the 4C.[/QUOTE


How does that big duffest even fit in the 4c? lol

Great question. Jeremy was driving one on TopGear's "The Perfect Road Trip 2" and more recently The Grand Tour episode five I think. He is absolutely bonkers over it.

[QUOTE=sunkist350z;3597769]The spider version with the head over the windshield a la Herman muenster??? Lol

EDIT:

Nope, he actually fit!!!

https://youtu.be/CRH-LbvV_-c

I had forgotten I saw this review. Awesome!!

if you going to post a link, post one to OEM spec'ed car with a price we can compare and bitch how Nissan hasn't updated Z in 8 years, otherwise its a fully built race car so i'm not sure what to say about it....

You're right about that...

I'm going to say something VERY CONTROVERSIAL. but true....

Everybody wants to Big Up the Cayman as the superior car. The Cayman is composed of EVERY ELECTRONIC gadget available to make it be what it is.... It's a computer on wheels with the best ARTIFICIAL ELECTRIC STEERING money can buy. This in my opinion goes against EVERYTHING that driving should be. Our current Z is the most electronic intervention I can tolerate from a car.

The 4C IS EVERYTHING a car should be. I don't even think the car has anti lock brakes. No power steering. 2400lbs no power assist on the steering. It's ths most pure driving machine on the planet. It has v8 muscle car numbers with a tiny forced induction 4banger.... It's a retro marvel. A one of a kind. Porsche is a status quo car. More hype than substance by comparison of the Alfa. The Alfa is the truest sports car on the planet right now for the money because it's the most visceral.

It must have ABS. Any new car sold in the US since 2013 has been required to by law.

This may not happen in my life time or ever, but i'd like to see a Japanese car with a v8, the trend seems to be smaller engine + boost

Yeah.... I think the Euro spec lacks it.

True.... if it's not in a truck? They don't use them. They feel it's not necessary for whatever reason. The Z in Japanese theory should've been a 3,000lb car with the same power level and engine. This is one of the main criticisms of our car. They lost the ability to get the weight vs power right. They might as well go ahead and make v8 cars.

My local Fiat/Alfa dealer has a brand new 2015 model that they haven't been able to sell, it's priced almost 20k below msrp right now. It's a loaded white one from what I could tell.

It's a buyer's market with new sports cars across America :iagree:

We have a 2015 Jap with a V8. We show up at track with over 700 hp.


But it's the tow vehicle :) Plus the track car, about 700 hp total

It's called Lexus, and they handle like poo.

There is nothing hyped about the Cayman. It is every bit as good as the reviews say it is. The 981 model also sounds glorious with the flat 6 and is extremely well built and usable without all the drawbacks of the Alpha.

As a pure toy, maybe this is reasonable, otherwise ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyL-5WQzMQE

I'm not saying it doesn't drive great. But here are some unavoidable facts you might want to ponder on to understand where I'm coming from.

Feedback is almost nill from Porsche electronic power steering.

Everything glorious about the current gen Cayman is based on electronic intervention. Be it, steering feel, intelligent traction control distributing power to each wheel. Computer controlled damping etc.... all of what's happening is artificial to make you look like a champion.

Get in a Z. Turn off VDC, Get over 30mph and all your electronic assists are off. Even with vdc on you just don't get the same level of intervention.

Sure Porsche intervention is seamless. It's about as perfect as a traction system can be. But the advantages of a Porsche ECU will always be the dominant factor of your driving experience. Your inputs are always enhanced.

That is not true of a Z. The meaning of a drivers car had been skewed in the new millennium.

A 4c.... now that's what a real sports car should be. Same as the viper.

What do you want to know?

http://i.imgur.com/UjI7Mpr.jpg

I realize that this is the 370Z forum, but since I'm going to be learning from you on the Nissan side, perhaps I can return the favour on the Alfa front a little.

Just got the (used) 370Z and barely have 20 miles on it (including test drive and trip home). Now they are both hibernating together until some time in April. Don't worry, my wife's last car was a Honda, so the Alfa speaks Japanese. :-)

I'll post a bit of a comparison, so far, when I get a chance.
Spoiler: The 370Z is my wife's car. I may drive it from time to time, but they'll pry the keys to the 4C from my cold dead fingers.

Sorry - getting used to this forum and how to post pictures.
Here's the un-cropped version.

More pics of the 4C :excited:

I think besides Z35, Nu-Supra, and 4C, I'm officially thinking about a MX-5 RF +boost... hmm.

Careful what you ask for... :-)


I'm curious about the MX-5 RF, too. Sounds like a neat package. But you only have to drive 5 minutes in the Alfa to know if it is the car for you. It's beautiful, noisy, raw, unapologetic, and totally bonkers! And I love it to bits.

The 4c. A testament to what a sports car is from a mechanical pointing view. No other car under $100,000 compares.

I agree. But not many buyers really WANT a true sports car. They think they do, but wind up lamenting the lack of noise deadening (driving deep in the carbon tub is like living in John Bonham's drum set), insufficient cupholders (there is exactly one in the car) or missing sat nav/infotainment/backup camera. So, in the end they buy a GT car instead. And that is why most "drivers' cars" have evolved into GT's (Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche included, MB, Audi, BMW really never were except for some very specialized models).

And that is why dentists drive 911's. :icon17:

I am starting to realize that's why DH bought me the lovely and wonderful Z.
To keep my paws miles away from his Alfa.:rolleyes::hello:

It's OK...I think I will like the Z just fine.

I will say that riding shotgun in the Alfa is a blast. It's not quiet, kind, or comfy...and the radio is crap...and your bum is about an inch off the road,BUT the sound of those pops and snarls is quite nice and it slams your head back quite sharply when you accelerate but it hugs the corners so I'm not terrified. The Z is much higher up...it is practically an SUV compared with Alfie.

Alfie sounds angry even when passing a Prius. Must be an Italian thing.

And the nice thing is that everyone gives it a high five, from grandmothers to little kids. It puts a smile on everyone's face...OK except the Prius driver.

Doesn't have a make up mirror which is a major bummer for the female driver. That's the only downside for me.

Oh and there is enough room in the luggage department for a severed head. That is apparently THE Alfa joke. Everyone mentions the severed head storage ability. :-) Another Italian thing I guess.

All this talk and reviews of the 4C makes me want to...buy a Porsche 914 and drop an interesting engine into it! :rolleyes:

You're so right, cuz when our Z's dropped, we had a bunch of fruity pants pansies here crying about NVH n road noise. It was seriously pathetic. All I really wanted from our Z's was a slightly more aggressive suspension, a much better base radio considering the entry price.... then finally.... The engine should've sounded like the VQ35HR and we needed a louder exhaust note.

I could care less about infotainment, power seats, NVH well, it could've been slightly better but not enough to trade out like most did. Lol.

You can tell that people want sports cars in name only. Nissan already went this route in terms of the Z34 and the populous complained it wasn't GT enough. Even with the Q60 there to please those lifeless drones they still want a GT Z. I wish those kind of people will wake up in the morning and not wake up. They disgust me.
People buy a Z which is a SPORTS car and want it to be a mustang with 2 seats. Go pester Ford to build you that shyt. Don't come to Nissan to whine like a Lil bytch cuz we are at the right price point for you.

I pray the Z35 is a 400HP 240z incarnate, with retained hydraulic steering, handbrake, an improved vdc that will NEVER interfere a re-engineered lsd so it can lock up better. Sometimes we can still peg leg under certain conditions. I want it to be light, loud and annoying. I want stock BOV's that'll scare little children and a sport exhaust. THAT sounds like fun to me. And the people that don't agree. I hope they keep buying Mustang's and BMW's. They make what the cry babies want.

If Nissan would've catered to one market, the original Z market with the Z34, they would've sold like hot cakes. Auto paddle shifts or DCT are the only extra option these cars need. I wish they sell the next Z in the same style package as the GTR. one stereo, one set of seating options.

You want raw? Buy a Nismo.

Nissan doesn't need to cater to GT fags

My Integra Type R was a true sports car. Less sound deadening and seam welded body. Handbuilt and polished motor. I wonder if it's still alive out there. 1998 Type R number 313.

To me a true sports car is RWD. But the integra was as good as it gets in FWD. I'll give it that much. The balance was pretty sick for the wheels turning upfront.

When I see what nice ones go for these days, unmolested, for even more than what they cost in 1998....I cringe and wish I had it back. It had Brembo brakes, longer control arms with stiffer bushings all around, mechanical LSD, true leather suede inserts on the seats, seam welded body, handbuilt and polished motor, free flow exhaust...Honda really knew how to make special cars back then, bikes too as I loved my RC-51. Sad I got rid of that one too, with the Sato exhaust and chain driven cams....RRRRR sounded great even if it was slow. Both really felt special.

I bought a Nismo, it's lap of luxury compared to my 500 Abarth - which also gets bad press for dated interior, lack of modern gizmos, and the harsh / loud ride... I mean, the Abarth's dash looks like it was pulled from the parts bin of the 1960's Russian space program.

But good god is it a riot to drive... It's basically a machine that vaporizes tires to create silly grins.

But that's so very Italian.

Even the Alfa Giulia QF, which is simply about as bonkers as you can get and still have four doors, gets bad press for - you guessed it - dated interior, lack of modern gizmos, and the harsh / loud ride...

:shakes head:

*Flame suit on*........*Cough*...."Stinger"

OmG personality in a car!!! :)

Shhhh! Not so loud!

People will start expecting more from their perfectly safe, perfectly sane commute-appliance.

:tup:

:iagree::tup:

Thats called a Toyota Camry.....

I won't believe a 1.75 L engine car can make me orgasm at all until I tried it.

It will.

Might want to pack a fresh pair of undies!
:driving:

When I bought, the car hadn't even made these shores yet, and there was no telling when it might. But everything about it made sense to me, from the swimsuit edition cover looks, to the mid engine layout, from what they squeezed out of that 1.75 litre mill, to the fanatical approach to lightness, from the unassisted steering to the carbon tub. Nearly 4 months later, when I drove 150 miles just to see the unveiling and sit in one on the floor, I was smitten. The first opportunity that I had to drive one was after my name was on its title (that's just the way it was for early adopters), and I couldn't get the stupid grin off my face. 2 hours later, I pulled into my driveway and my face was starting to hurt from smiling for so long!

It makes you feel like a 12-year-old again. Similar to the 370Z, except that everything on the 4C seems to be cranked up to 12. The turbo noises, the intake sounds, the exhaust, the driving position, the steering feel, the turn-in, the rev matching. Even the 370Z looks like it is jacked up on mud tires next to the Alfa!

Once I get a few real miles in the 370Z, I'll post a comparison. Meanwhile, since test drives of the 4C are now readily available, I'd suggest giving one a try if you are at all curious or interested. It is an experience you won't forget - regardless of whether or not the car is for you.

That car is an absolute stunner :yum:

I could live with it as my DD, no problem.

I'm a little concerned about any Alpha's reliability... keep us posted on anything that crops up. That wouldn't be a deal breaker for me if I could manage to pick one up next year when my Z is paid off, but it would be good to be forewarned.

So true..... Anytime anyone makes a car with BALLS. The press castrates it. But Motor Trend called the Giulia the greatest thing since sliced bread. Paraphrasing of course. I'm all in for a test drive or ride.

Absolutely. I thought about grabbing the car myself.

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