2017 NISMO Sentra

kenchan · 11-16-2016, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danthe370zman

2017 Nissan Sentra Nismo | Nissan USA

Coming January 2017... what do you guys think, anyone interested in one?

Nissan should wait till April 1

axmea? · 11-17-2016, 12:47 AM

Put wire wheels and basso tips.

Spooler · 11-17-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

Just curious, why do you like it? For the price, you could get something better.

LOL, that was my Kenchan response. No, I do not want one.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-17-2016, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

This car is a fvcking joke, and I'm about to tell you all why.

The only saving grace behind this car is the fact that it's offered with a manual. That's it, and even that feature is about four model years too late in the grand scheme of the landscape in which the Sentra competes. The Mazda 3, Ford Focus, and Honda Civic can all be had in manual guise. BUT - that 6 speed manual is cool if it's mated to a limited slip differential (even a viscuous one!) inside its transaxle, but it's not. HELLO UNDERSTEER. Understeer that doesn't even have to be as bad as it normally is in FWD cars with decent torque.

SPEAKING OF TORQUE... 177 lb-ft? In a 3000lb Sentra? What fvcking year is this?

This car will be $25k. What does it do better than a Subaru WRX, a Civic Si, or a Focus ST? FVCKING NOTHING. Not a goddamn thing.

Kill the NISMO brand, Nissan. You're only using it as an excuse to say you provided **** people wanted in their cars that should be equipped at lower trim levels and putting red striping on it. Stick to your beloved crossovers. The 370Z is 98 fvcking years old already, but you're busy putting 90s power in your subcompact sedan and calling it a performance model. Just fvck off and die.

LMAO.... How many REDBULLS was that????

Nissan is disappointing their fans without a doubt. But I'm willing to wait for a review.

RicerX · 11-18-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

LMAO.... How many REDBULLS was that????

All of them

Seriously though - I'm pretty spun up on it because I was counting on them to come through with this particular car. I'm very involved in the world of Nissan on another site, and a lot of us have been waiting for them to show us something that can be affordable and fun. We have seen competitors left and right toss out fun cars over the last 5-7 years and Nissan has been notably absent.

They've been content to ram crossovers down our throats for over a decade. The next gen Z has languished in what is obviously an identity crisis from a product planning standpoint - the biggest hint we've gotten is the GripZ, which is them turning the philosophy of what the Z has been for 40 years and implementing it into a crossover. The most they've experimented with any vehicle has been the Juke - there's no amount of flavorings you cannot have that car in. I'm convinced that they kept the power down on the Sentra to position it below the Juke - think about it. The Juke can be had with nearly 215hp and a helical LSD while this Sentra sits at 188hp and open diff, for example.

The B13 SE-R - there was so little, if anything, like it on the market at the time. Same with the S13. Same with the Z32 (until the pricing killed it along with the rise of the SUV). The modern implementations of those vehicles DO NOT COMPETE at the price point. Sure there are justifications for why one would buy a 370Z over a Camaro SS, or why one would buy a Sentra NISMO over a Focus ST, but the overwhelming majority of buyers in these markets wants to stretch their dollar to the extreme in fun factor that they can.

Nissan has been absent here, and they've gotten too big as a company to adequately respond to changes in the market landscape and competitors within that landscape for anything except a crossover. Look at the Titan - a fantastic offering even 5 years ago, but now that it's finally come to market, it's barely competitive when you stack it up to Ford and Chevy. In fact, I feel the XD version of the truck was an absolute hail mary to force a niche into one of the most ruthless markets in the North American automotive landscape. I feel it wouldn't otherwise garner any attention if they just showed up with the new 5.6L half ton truck. They're pasting an extended bumper-to-bumper warranty on it to put up a shred of a fight, but equipment for equipment, truck for truck, it's another also-ran from a company that's been also-running for 10+ years.

The site I work for was founded out of enthusiasts that were attracted to Nissan's bang-for-the-buck and well rounded products that offered fun, performance, and usability in a well-priced package. The overwhelming majority of Nissan's products are uninspiring, underwhelming, and paint a bleak picture for the future of volume cars that illustrates soulless, uninvolving, and uninspiring driving experiences. It preaches utility and convenience. It shows a culture of building machines as appliances rather than enhancements to life experience like they used to be.

NISMO was supposed to be the exception to all of those things. I understand a business has to make money, but at the level they're selling Altimas to rental car companies and Rogues to Star Wars fans, they can afford to have a niche performance marque that doesn't forget about the people that drive as a means of having fun. Nissan seems to think you shouldn't do that unless you have a cool $100k burning a hole in your pocket for a GT-R.

TL;DR - Nissan is boring as **** when it used to be exciting. They're like a volume Subaru - put out a sweet concept and when it hits production it turns into vanilla.

kenchan · 11-19-2016, 08:55 PM

nismo is too much show and no go

JerryDeluxe · 11-19-2016, 10:02 PM

Great commuter

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-19-2016, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

All of them

Seriously though - I'm pretty spun up on it because I was counting on them to come through with this particular car. I'm very involved in the world of Nissan on another site, and a lot of us have been waiting for them to show us something that can be affordable and fun. We have seen competitors left and right toss out fun cars over the last 5-7 years and Nissan has been notably absent.

They've been content to ram crossovers down our throats for over a decade. The next gen Z has languished in what is obviously an identity crisis from a product planning standpoint - the biggest hint we've gotten is the GripZ, which is them turning the philosophy of what the Z has been for 40 years and implementing it into a crossover. The most they've experimented with any vehicle has been the Juke - there's no amount of flavorings you cannot have that car in. I'm convinced that they kept the power down on the Sentra to position it below the Juke - think about it. The Juke can be had with nearly 215hp and a helical LSD while this Sentra sits at 188hp and open diff, for example.

The B13 SE-R - there was so little, if anything, like it on the market at the time. Same with the S13. Same with the Z32 (until the pricing killed it along with the rise of the SUV). The modern implementations of those vehicles DO NOT COMPETE at the price point. Sure there are justifications for why one would buy a 370Z over a Camaro SS, or why one would buy a Sentra NISMO over a Focus ST, but the overwhelming majority of buyers in these markets wants to stretch their dollar to the extreme in fun factor that they can.

Nissan has been absent here, and they've gotten too big as a company to adequately respond to changes in the market landscape and competitors within that landscape for anything except a crossover. Look at the Titan - a fantastic offering even 5 years ago, but now that it's finally come to market, it's barely competitive when you stack it up to Ford and Chevy. In fact, I feel the XD version of the truck was an absolute hail mary to force a niche into one of the most ruthless markets in the North American automotive landscape. I feel it wouldn't otherwise garner any attention if they just showed up with the new 5.6L half ton truck. They're pasting an extended bumper-to-bumper warranty on it to put up a shred of a fight, but equipment for equipment, truck for truck, it's another also-ran from a company that's been also-running for 10+ years.

The site I work for was founded out of enthusiasts that were attracted to Nissan's bang-for-the-buck and well rounded products that offered fun, performance, and usability in a well-priced package. The overwhelming majority of Nissan's products are uninspiring, underwhelming, and paint a bleak picture for the future of volume cars that illustrates soulless, uninvolving, and uninspiring driving experiences. It preaches utility and convenience. It shows a culture of building machines as appliances rather than enhancements to life experience like they used to be.

NISMO was supposed to be the exception to all of those things. I understand a business has to make money, but at the level they're selling Altimas to rental car companies and Rogues to Star Wars fans, they can afford to have a niche performance marque that doesn't forget about the people that drive as a means of having fun. Nissan seems to think you shouldn't do that unless you have a cool $100k burning a hole in your pocket for a GT-R.

TL;DR - Nissan is boring as **** when it used to be exciting. They're like a volume Subaru - put out a sweet concept and when it hits production it turns into vanilla.

I feel you brutha. It's frustrating. I guess my expectations with the sentra were SO LOW, that when it came out. I was like, nice. They should have went straight to the 215 hp engine. They claimed more power more money, but I don't see it....

That said. Not every application needs an LSD when less than 250hp is involved. I'm dying for a new Z. All these cars are filler if it's not the Z.

I honestly think the grip Z is just a symbol of the next gen Juke and Z being built on the same modular chassis. But yes.... Nissan has been slouching it's loyalists over the past few years.

JSpec1 · 11-20-2016, 11:40 AM

Saw it at the LA Auto Show on Friday and was dissapointed. I mean It looks nice but then i saw an Eco button on it which reminds me of my cousin's corolla which In my opinion shouldn't be in a sportier model.

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