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DavidZ370 07-23-2016 12:01 AM

Dude fawk the Z, I'd drive it straight into a ditch for a chance of owning a Z06 though I loved my Z I am a man who takes no wagon, if you can afford it there should be ZERO AND I MEAN ZERO doubt that it's better than the Z in every category... Buy warranty and you're set.


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ChopsZ 07-23-2016 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JC-Nismo (Post 3521604)
A base Z over a Z06???
No way in HELL bro, I'd give up mine any day if it were car for car.

Again, personal preference.

To me, the Vettes are hideous in the rear and inside, and the Z is the exact opposite. They're good looking all the way around. So why would I pick the Vette over the Z? I don't pick a car strictly for performance. If that were the case, I'd be driving around in a new Mustang GT right now instead of the Z. But again, that car is good looking on the outside but cheap and ugly on the inside, hence why I chose the base Z.

And I chose the base Z over the Sport because I didn't want the 19" Rays, the rear spoiler, or any of that electronic noise cancelling/piped in exhaust sound crap that comes standard on the Sport. Oh, and I certainly don't need a tiny display that tells me what gear I'm in. That's just totally useless. I'm not going to pay for stuff I don't want. The only thing the Sport has going for it is the larger brakes and VLSD. But for $500 I can have just as good brakes if not better with slotted rotors and carbon pads. The diff (if I decide to upgrade it), another $1500 installed.

Again, it's all personal preference.

If someone wants to be a Vette or a Mustang, go right ahead. It's your money and what you like. No problem with that at all.

Z-Girl 12 07-23-2016 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew303 (Post 3522184)

Never been a Vette fan, but that looks freaking hot. The looks have grown on me. Would never own one, and still can't wrap my arms around anyone comparing the Z to it:shakes head:. But if I can find a single, old white man driving one I'd date him for a while just to beat it up. The Vette, not him...ewwww!

ChopsZ 07-23-2016 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by barncobob (Post 3522056)
Id be interested in a mid engine vette. if only they go back to roundish taillights, no batwings

Let's think about this for a minute. As far as I can remember, GM only came out with two production vehicles with the engines elsewhere than the front, the Chevy Corvair and Pontiac Fiero.

They weren't very successful, and definitely not known for they superior handling or reliability. Just saying...

JC-Nismo 07-23-2016 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3522283)
If u can't buy it cash u can't "afford" it. Payoff ur z and drive it 5 yrs from da day u pay it off.

That's BS!!!
Plenty of us finance our cars and pay them off with no problems, just because we didn't fork over $30K-$$40K cash don't mean we couldn't afford it. Millionaires lease and finance just a we do too. OP do what you like, your life, your money, EMBRACE THE MOMENT!!!

ChopsZ 07-23-2016 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 37zeroZ (Post 3522365)
:icon17: Funny fanboy....:excited:

No, not hardly. But of course, I'm sure you know me better than I do...

ZeeBabar 07-23-2016 07:50 AM

In the end, you know why you want a car. Some want to race a car. Track use (Z06), some simply want a different car (Z06), some want exclusivity (370Z), some like both but prefer reliability and maintenance costs (370z). Some want a daily driver (370z).

Since you modded a Nismo, 370z, I think you like fast cars, the bug has hit you so go for the Z.

At 68, I don't race or track, needed a car for daily driving and for its looks. I opted for a red 2014 370z (8250 miles) over a msimilar silver 370z (17000 miles) and a 2006 corvette coupe wth 56k miles, all at the same price.

Corvettes are far too many compared to the 370z.

ChopsZ 07-23-2016 08:34 AM

Drew303... My main question for you is this. Why are you asking us to "talk you out of a Z06" anyway?

That right there tells me you have some kind of reservations about getting one, whether it be that it's a Chevy, it's American, it's reliability, something.

We know money isn't an issue, so there must be something about it that you don't like or are concerned about which is making you second-guess yourself from purchasing one.

Drew303 07-23-2016 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3522653)
Drew303... My main question for you is this. Why are you asking us to "talk you out of a Z06" anyway?

That right there tells me you have some kind of reservations about getting one, whether it be that it's a Chevy, it's American, it's reliability, something.

We know money isn't an issue, so there must be something about it that you don't like or are concerned about which is making you second-guess yourself from purchasing one.

Mainly because I have put sooooo much money into the Z. I would feel weird putting all that money into it just to sell it. If I didn't have the Z I would have a Z06 in my garage right now

UNKNOWN_370 07-23-2016 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09 (Post 3522333)
I 100% hear what you're saying (I do own a Ducati instead of a UJM that would have been 2/3 the price and probably slightly faster). However, I'm hearing a bunch of excuses from Z owners along the lines of "ours looks better, ours is cheaper, blah blah blah...." the same Z owners who then turn around and say "what about a GT-R if you want to spend that kind of money?" Talk about a disengaged, unexciting-looking car... and the 'Vette is still cheaper. By a lot. Like you could have a Z06 AND a 370Z for the cost of one of those things these days.:icon14:

I don't like brand loyalists who are unwilling to admit that their particular car isn't the best thing since sliced bread in every category. It reeks of butthurt.

As a side note the Z has zero torque IMO. I came from Mustangs though so my opinion is skewed. I bought the Z for its looks and handling characteristics more than anything. And for the fact that the nismo (at the time) didn't come in AT so I wouldn't have to worry about people who can't drive owning one.:stirthepot:

I hear you and lol on zero torque. On the muscle side I'm a camaro man so mustang torque is a joke to me. :tup: The Z is actually adequately torquey "For Its Intended Purpose". I find it to have a good balance of power & handling.

ChopsZ 07-23-2016 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew303 (Post 3522726)
Mainly because I have put sooooo much money into the Z. I would feel weird putting all that money into it just to sell it. If I didn't have the Z I would have a Z06 in my garage right now

I was pretty much thinking that as well.

Just curious, have you considered a Dodge Viper?

Granted, it's about $8k more, but to me, it's a heck of a lot better looking car all the way around, and definitely loads better looking inside. Also, even though the Vette sounds excellent, it's hard to beat the sound of a thumping, NA V10. And let's not forget, the Viper is a lot more rare out in the wild than a Vette or even a Z for that matter.

Duc_Z09 07-23-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-Girl 12 (Post 3522628)
Never been a Vette fan, but that looks freaking hot. The looks have grown on me. Would never own one, and still can't wrap my arms around anyone comparing the Z to it:shakes head:. But if I can find a single, old white man driving one I'd date him for a while just to beat it up. The Vette, not him...ewwww!

The mirrors are ugly but I'm sure I could find some aftermarket carbon replacements.:yum:

I'm no GM fan but IMO they did a good job (finally).

TriNismo 07-23-2016 11:44 AM

Keep the Z, put your extra $ into a Roth IRA.

D'oh!


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kenchan 07-23-2016 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew303 (Post 3522427)
I'm a finance manager for a dealership lol I think I know what I can afford

Lol den u know u need a better paying job then.

Drew303 07-23-2016 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3522803)
Lol den u know u need a better paying job then.

Can't tell if serious

NecioVato 07-23-2016 01:06 PM

Maybe I missed this in the original post - but what would you do with the Z? Sell it? If that is the case and you're going to lease a Z06; what would you do after the lease?

The other question is - do you enjoy driving your Z? I know it's one thing to see other cars and WANT them, it's hard not to compare the new ride to the previous and something tells me that there will be something about a turbo'd Z that will be greater than a stock Z06 (just my op though). I don't mean overall but there will be some factors that the turbo'd Z > Z06. (Wanted to clarify to not sound like a fan boy!)

For me, while I enjoy my Z a lot - I would probably take my PIF Stage 2 GTI over it and save the money on gas and tires as well as the car payment in itself (my car had great low end torque, fun factor that matched my Z and a better interior...but that ext on the Z and the the RWD - and the fun factor as well got me LOL)

Jhill 07-23-2016 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew303 (Post 3522813)
Can't tell if serious

F&I guys make tons at dealerships. It's the techs that get screwed and have to move on to other careers to make money.

cv129 07-23-2016 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TriNismo (Post 3522793)
Keep the Z, put your extra $ into a Roth IRA.

D'oh!


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How do you know if he hasn't already maxed out the annual contribution? And for someone that can afford a Z06, perhaps his annual income has exceeded the limit for any ROTH contribution at all....

GraphiteZ 07-23-2016 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-Nismo (Post 3522632)
That's BS!!!
Plenty of us finance our cars and pay them off with no problems, just because we didn't fork over $30K-$$40K cash don't mean we couldn't afford it. Millionaires lease and finance just a we do too. OP do what you like, your life, your money, EMBRACE THE MOMENT!!!

Not totally agreeing with you there. To millionaires, lease and finance are investment, business and tax decisions. They have tax/financial advisors around them to put the strategies together. For normal people to take on a loan for a 90k car usually means cutting back on your 401K and IRA contributions and/or paying off the mortgage later and/or taking money out from the emergency account. I worked in the financial planning business for a while and I know that being able to make the car payment doesn’t always mean you can afford it.

JWillis72 07-23-2016 06:48 PM

If you plan to track it don't buy the Z06, I know three guys that have hired lawyers because they will not fix the cooling problems on the Z06. It's great as a street car but not for the track. I just bought a C7 Z51 so don't take this as me hating on corvettes.

ChopsZ 07-23-2016 07:05 PM

*cough* Viper *cough*

Jhill 07-23-2016 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3522993)
If you plan to track it don't buy the Z06, I know three guys that have hired lawyers because they will not fix the cooling problems on the Z06. It's great as a street car but not for the track. I just bought a C7 Z51 so don't take this as me hating on corvettes.

This too. I forgot about the cooling issues and the trans overheat issues. At least the 370z just throw on a 34 row and your good. The c6 was much more ready for track out of the box. Just wait till it rains on your daily commute on the z06 and you have a heart attack thinking you blew the motor at a stop light as all the massive amount of steam comes off the radiator up through the vent in the front.

Oh yea bulletin about that too. GM states, normal.

JWillis72 07-23-2016 07:32 PM

I still love my 370Z but even the Z51 is a lot nicer car. My Z is supercharged and it took me 2 years to get the cooling right and a lot of money, boost on a track car is a pain in the butt to keep cool!


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Jhill 07-23-2016 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3523006)
I still love my 370Z but even the Z51 is a lot nicer car. My Z is supercharged and it took me 2 years to get the cooling right and a lot of money, boost on a track car is a pain in the butt to keep cool!


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The entertainment screen go out on your z51 yet?

JWillis72 07-23-2016 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhill (Post 3523012)
The entertainment screen go out on your z51 yet?



No it hasn't but I've only had it a few weeks. Has your steering lock gone out on your Z? What car doesn't have issues?


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Jhill 07-23-2016 09:24 PM

[QUOTE=JWillis72;3523014]No it hasn't but I've only had it a few weeks. Has your steering lock gone out on your Z? What car doesn't have issues?

Nope but mines a 2013 and sure I'll allow one issue here or there as you say all have problems but being I've had the luxury to work on MB, vw/Audi, Acura, and Chevy throughout my career I can tell you first hand the Japanese are the only ones left that actually put honor into their product and care about their name. As you say you've only had you z51 a few weeks, might want to wait a couple years before you give it the superior to the 370z rating. Also when Japanese have an issue they tend to redesign/update the parts with issues (although Nissan csc is a bad example of that and poor choice on Nissan), the others just tend to replace until out of warranty and now it's your issue unless they get a class action law suite and forced to cover it under lifetime then all of a sudden their is a revision (vw/Audi 1.8 coils anyone?). Seen more blown engines and worn valve train with Chevy than anywhere else. However I would take a Chevy over vw/Audi their **** is just terrible. I'll just leave this, car hasn't had a good start.

2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Z51 Manual – Long-Term Test Wrap-Up – Car and Driver

Also this sums up a corvette perfectly, get some miles on them and all the squeaks, creaks and rattle come up. They just do not have the same level of build quality.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...view-update-6/

UNKNOWN_370 07-23-2016 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew303 (Post 3522813)
Can't tell if serious

That's just his way....

cv129 07-23-2016 10:44 PM

Don't get the Z06 OP. There, I'm talking you out of it.

Get a manual C7 Grand Sport instead. That's a legitimate American made GT3.

NRTim 07-23-2016 11:07 PM

I too was in the market for a C7 Z06 but I can't ever forgive GM for that ignition switch issue, plus reading this blog pushes me more away from the car lol...

PeterMJ's Corvette C7 Stingray and Z06 Exposed

JC-Nismo 07-24-2016 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GraphiteZ (Post 3522881)
Not totally agreeing with you there. To millionaires, lease and finance are investment, business and tax decisions. They have tax/financial advisors around them to put the strategies together. For normal people to take on a loan for a 90k car usually means cutting back on your 401K and IRA contributions and/or paying off the mortgage later and/or taking money out from the emergency account. I worked in the financial planning business for a while and I know that being able to make the car payment doesn’t always mean you can afford it.

I see what you mean, but none of us knows the others situation, plans or can foresee there dimize or growth potential based on financial decisions. We're simply talking about cars, living life and the things we enjoy.

Spstone 07-24-2016 08:45 AM

The only argument I could make is your going to lose a large sum on the Z. I see what guys are selling TT cars for on here and it's got to be a huge loss when you factor in setup cost, labor, and initial cost of car. The Z06 like all the other super car chasers are going to be a lot more expensive maintenance wise. There is a head to head on netflix pitting it against a viper. The end review was essentially for the cost they felt the Z06 was just not finished and felt like it was hastily thrown together. Than again my NISMO interior feels very spartan and minimal so that probably isn't a good comparison.

sunkist350z 07-24-2016 10:42 AM

Go get the z06, I saw one yesterday sounded bad ***. Actually, the only GM vette I would get but too expensive for me.

A66auto 07-24-2016 10:57 AM

If you already own property and have your finances in order, I'd say get the Z06. It sounds like your z is a beast, but you will get bored of the Z06 and want something else later. There is only so much you can do with a car that hot on the street. I would do a c7 grand sport if I wanted something new or a used 911,lotus, gtr, audi R8, Aston Martin,viper or something less common over a Z06.

sunkist350z 07-24-2016 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by A66auto (Post 3523236)
If you already own property and have your finances in order, I'd say get the Z06. It sounds like your z is a beast, but you will get bored of the Z06 and want something else later. There is only so much you can do with a car that hot on the street. I would do a c7 grand sport if I wanted something new or a used 911,lotus, gtr, audi R8, Aston Martin,viper or something less common over a Z06.

c7 grand sport is only 460hp? His nismo will eat it up. The z06 has 650hp why would he get bored?? Makes no sense.

ChopsZ 07-24-2016 11:13 AM

That's a great looking car all the way around. Dodge certainly did their homework and made the right choices. Chevy, not so much...

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims...t-viper-fd.jpg

http://gtspirit.com/wp-content/uploa...00478556_l.jpg

http://nicecarsinfo.com/wp-content/u...CI5.jpg?32ec5b

http://carreleasedates2017.com/wp-co...T-Interior.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/171912230+...ak-hot-rod.jpg

sunkist350z 07-24-2016 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3523247)

Nah..besides the Viper will be discontinued next year or I think this is the last year. And the z06 has much more, carbon ceramic brembo brakes, carbon fiber roof and hood and a cool 7speed manual. Carbon ceramic brakes are like a 10k+ option on some cars. So the z06 is the best bang for your buck supercar.

ChopsZ 07-24-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z (Post 3523248)
Nah..besides the Viper will be discontinued next year or I think this is the last year.

So?.. That has no bearing on the car itself, whether that's true or not. It's still a better looking, better thought out car than any Vette.

ChopsZ 07-24-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z (Post 3523248)
Nah..besides the Viper will be discontinued next year or I think this is the last year. And the z06 has much more, carbon ceramic brembo brakes, carbon fiber roof and hood and a cool 7speed manual. Carbon ceramic brakes are like a 10k+ option on some cars. So the z06 is the best bang for your buck supercar.

It's not a better car when you factor in ALL of the constant issues that GM still haven't resolved.

sunkist350z 07-24-2016 11:26 AM

Viper gets a smack down lol zo6 made that pos viper look like a Honda civic LMFAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2lBmcdwRUY numerous videos on youtube were the zo6 eats the viper, this is one of them lol

sunkist350z 07-24-2016 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3523251)
It's not a better car when you factor in ALL of the constant issues that GM still haven't resolved.

Any Dodge doesn't? lol


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