2018 Toyota Supra

MaysEffect · 08-15-2017, 04:01 PM

If it has Mcpherson type front struts like the Zn6, it can go back to the shed the Mk4 supra died in.

BlackZeda · 08-15-2017, 08:49 PM

It looks like you guys are letting some purported leaks on some 3rd rate auto news sites override your logic and reason.

1) The "news" is BS
2) Toyota could not sell it. I am 90% certain I will buy the new Supra/FT-1 (if that is what it is called), but having a BMW engine is a certain deal-breaker.
3) The 86 has a Toyota engine even though it was co-developed by Subaru. If Toyota were to use another companies engine, then it would be Subaru.
4) Correct me if I am wrong, but Toyota (or Lexus) has never used another manufacturer's engine.

ZCanadian · 08-15-2017, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

It looks like you guys are letting some purported leaks on some 3rd rate auto news sites override your logic and reason.

1) The "news" is BS
2) Toyota could not sell it. I am 90% certain I will buy the new Supra/FT-1 (if that is what it is called), but having a BMW engine is a certain deal-breaker.
3) The 86 has a Toyota engine even though it was co-developed by Subaru. If Toyota were to use another companies engine, then it would be Subaru.
4) Correct me if I am wrong, but Toyota (or Lexus) has never used another manufacturer's engine.

Although I don't dispute your assertion as to the veracity of these reports, I'm not certain that past practices are entirely indicative of current or future business models. Modern business pressures demand lateral thinking like never before. Certain opportunities might only be realized by forging new partnerships. Some models would never exist without them. Not saying that's a good thing, but it's becoming reality.

Jordo! · 08-16-2017, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

It looks like you guys are letting some purported leaks on some 3rd rate auto news sites override your logic and reason.

1) The "news" is BS
2) Toyota could not sell it. I am 90% certain I will buy the new Supra/FT-1 (if that is what it is called), but having a BMW engine is a certain deal-breaker.
3) The 86 has a Toyota engine even though it was co-developed by Subaru. If Toyota were to use another companies engine, then it would be Subaru.
4) Correct me if I am wrong, but Toyota (or Lexus) has never used another manufacturer's engine.

I would expect the BWM motor(s) with Toyota part numbers and a few other odds and ends taken from, say, Denso, and (possibly) a Yamaha head. It will have a Toyota ECU, tho'...

ZCanadian · 08-16-2017, 01:17 PM

And don't forget the duck tape and baler twine! ;-)

b15 · 08-16-2017, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

It looks like you guys are letting some purported leaks on some 3rd rate auto news sites override your logic and reason.

1) The "news" is BS
2) Toyota could not sell it. I am 90% certain I will buy the new Supra/FT-1 (if that is what it is called), but having a BMW engine is a certain deal-breaker.
3) The 86 has a Toyota engine even though it was co-developed by Subaru. If Toyota were to use another companies engine, then it would be Subaru.
4) Correct me if I am wrong, but Toyota (or Lexus) has never used another manufacturer's engine.

The 86/FRS has a Subaru designed and built engine (FA20). It does use the Toyota DI fuel system but it is not a Toyota engine. In Toyota applications, it carries a Toyota engine code but that doesn't make it Toyota designed engine. The whole architecture of it screams Subaru as it's the EJ replacement.

This Supra would probably be the second Toyota car using a non-Toyota designed engine that I'm aware of.

BlackZeda · 08-16-2017, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b15

The 86/FRS has a Subaru designed and built engine (FA20). It does use the Toyota DI fuel system but it is not a Toyota engine. In Toyota applications, it carries a Toyota engine code but that doesn't make it Toyota designed engine. The whole architecture of it screams Subaru as it's the EJ replacement.

This Supra would probably be the second Toyota car using a non-Toyota designed engine that I'm aware of.

Thanks for the correction. The 86 is indeed a rebadged Subaru, but if the "Supra" is a rebadged BMW it better be something special, or they've lost me as a buyer.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-16-2017, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

Hard top Z4 with a body kit. What a disappointment.

Unless they're keeping some stuff a serious secret, I don't see much of anything enticing here. I've never had high hopes for this car, and this is why. The Japanese carmakers are lacking imagination and courage to do something truly exceptional these days.

Mazda's HCCI tech. If it reaches the rotary and revolutionizes that engine? I'm back in a Mazda. Balee dat.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-16-2017, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by b15

Ha.

I guess I don't blame Toyota for using the BMW engines. Minimal R&D costs since they have no competitive turbo engines in their stable and BMW has been doing it for years.

But given the wonderfully designed Toyota engines in their recent sport attempts with the LFA and the ISF, RCF, and GSF just disappointing to hear they'll potentially tarnish the Supra legacy by outsourcing the engine. The BMW turbo 6s respond great to tunes, but damn don't call it a supra.

I dunno. I gotta wait and see. The real magic to 90's Toyota's wasn't just the JZ series engines it was the tuning. So maybe, Toyota will produce a proprietary intake manifold/plenum, turbos and other bits along with special tuning. It just depends how they go about it?

BlackZeda · 08-17-2017, 02:19 PM

The Z4 concept looks interesting: BMW Concept Z4 Photos and Info | News | Car and Driver

DLSTR · 08-17-2017, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

The Z4 concept looks interesting: BMW Concept Z4 Photos and Info | News | Car and Driver

Im impressed and I think whatever BMW and Toyota bring to market as Z4/Supra there will be a few here quite pleased. Looking forward to it. Cars are good right now. Good power and interesting overall. Im happy to see this as the average wanker drives a rounded box CUV/Cross over whatever the fk.

sunkist350z · 08-18-2017, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

The Z4 concept looks interesting: BMW Concept Z4 Photos and Info | News | Car and Driver

Wow, this actually looks cool and I am not a vert or bimmer guy. Toyota lets see the supra now.

Quicksilvers · 08-18-2017, 03:23 AM

I just hope they don't mass produce the 2018 Toyota Supra. This vehicle will be priced out of the average customers budget and price range. Something tells me it will be in the Nissan GTR price range. I don't like how BMW helped design this vehicle it will not be the same as the older model Toyota Supra. I am hoping that they have turbocharged platform on this vehicle.

ZCanadian · 08-21-2017, 03:53 PM

As promised, the Z4 concept as it appeared at Pebble Beach...

Though frankly, I prefer what's behind it in this shot. ;-)

carlitos_370z · 08-22-2017, 07:21 AM

I like how it looks! now I want to see the Supra in the Tokyo Auto Salon in October

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BlackZeda A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 1,109 Drives: 19 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 22	It looks like you guys are letting some purported leaks on some 3rd rate auto news sites override your logic and reason. 1) The "news" is BS 2) Toyota could not sell it. I am 90% certain I will buy the new Supra/FT-1 (if that is what it is called), but having a BMW engine is a certain deal-breaker. 3) The 86 has a Toyota engine even though it was co-developed by Subaru. If Toyota were to use another companies engine, then it would be Subaru. 4) Correct me if I am wrong, but Toyota (or Lexus) has never used another manufacturer's engine.

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Quicksilvers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2017 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,039 Drives: 2017 370z Rep Power: 25463	I just hope they don't mass produce the 2018 Toyota Supra. This vehicle will be priced out of the average customers budget and price range. Something tells me it will be in the Nissan GTR price range. I don't like how BMW helped design this vehicle it will not be the same as the older model Toyota Supra. I am hoping that they have turbocharged platform on this vehicle.