The IDX set to be produced in 2018!!??

JDubya

All of the Jalopnik articles have sources. It doesn't matter how old the Jalopnik articles are when they have actual information from Nissan and represent the most recent times Nissan has commented on the development of the car. Just because some phony website compiles a bunch of old data and writes a "new" article doesn't mean it invalidates older articles that represent the most relevant comments from the actual manufacturer. Also, if you read the Jalopnik articles, they aren't posting negatively about the car at all. They openly praise the car and have stated on multiple occasions that they want the IDx to be made. Irregardless, whether or not they have a history of being negative on Nissan has nothing to do with them posting facts backed by sources.

The website you linked is not affiliated with Nissan in any way. Nor does it post any new information about the car. It's an article from 11/15 that contains compiled information about the car that has been known for approximately two years now. It doesn't contain any sourced information from Nissan or validated comments about the production of the car. Frankly, the website you linked is not reputable in any way at all. Look at the URL of the website. Look at the articles. It's a bunch of compiled information about concepts that you can find anywhere. They simply slapped a model date on the car for fun. They mention "insider sources" referencing a 2018 model year car without actually naming any sources (because they have none--it's not a real news outlet). While our opinions on Jalopnik may differ (which is OK), they're a much more reputable source than the website you linked, and the articles prove that.

The car isn't being made, period. There are no reputable sources (Nissan) that confirm anything other than the car has been shelved. If you're able to find a real source that says this car is being made for the 2018 MY, I'll be the first to eat crow and apologize to you. I just don't think that is likely.

SwissCheese

It does look like someone took a Challenger and scrunched it up a bit.

It's an interesting looking car, but I feel like if/when they put it into production, it will look much more tame/boring/like every other normal car.

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UNKNOWN_370

Dude really... Did you need to go off on a tangent. All I said is I'm going to try to find more info and see if there was more information to back up that article. Being that it appeared as a Nissan related site I took it as legit.

DATES ARE RELEVANT only as an understanding of what's most current. I tried to find a more legit article and turned up no success.

JALOPNIK being negative to me is only valid as they may not be as interested in the most current news as they call NISSAN BORING.

This thread title ended with ??

Finally. There's nothing wrong with me finding news outside of jalopnik. The other article posted was another off brand site so I'm not posting it as relevant.

Lastly, me being the OP, I just wanted to make sure the site was posting irrelevant news.

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FPenvy

i know we agree on a lot.......but i can't give any credit, in any serious way, to an article on a website called 2017 / 2018 Nissan and Infiniti Cars | Changes, Rumors, News, Release Date and Prices



until nissan or someone with a better reputation says something then i will believe it.

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UNKNOWN_370

Yeah j guess... I was looking for Z news when that popped up... So freakin corny!

Oh well Fvck it.

Mods can close this thread


Ibtl

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FPenvy

i honestly havent searched lately. since all the news of the 3.0TT in the Q50 and Q60 my excitment peaked.............then it dropped due to not even a shred of news on another Z yet.

it's like holding a toy in front of you but not getting it lol that engine could be interesting in a Z.

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JDubya

Tangent eh? Pot, meet kettle (sorry, I had to).

I was only trying to deliver accurate information and validate the information I provided regarding the IDx. It wasn't my intention to frustrate or anger you.

I know you said to close the thread, but I do appreciate the fact that you took the initiative to create a place to discuss the car. You never know when/if news will pop up on it again.

UNKNOWN_370

I didn't really get angry. But I just found it overkill as I wasn't attacking your post for displaying the info you posted. Since my info was December 2015, vs June 2015, I was double checking to ensure the dribble didn't have any shred of truth to it in other more legit sites.

Jalopnik, while a great place for GM fanboys, the polarized truth it's the worst place for Nissan info. Not in the value of the information. But there disinterest in our platforms yet choosing to write on them anyway.

Fake sites should be fined...

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UNKNOWN_370

Nissan finally made the official statement that they've tried to hash out ways to make an IDX cheaply and can't.

What makes RWD so expensive to design? It makes no sense to me.... Can some of the more technologically intelligent people here explain this to me

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JDubya

Pierre Loing (Nissan VP of product planning) has been commenting on this topic for the last 1.5 years or so, but hasn't gone into crazy detail regarding specifics (or at least I haven't found it).

To your question though, I've always read the same thing you mentioned: that RWD isn't as affordable to develop.

The popular reasons I've read are assembly costs and the logistics of the drivetrain itself. Apparently FWD cars are easier to assemble in the plant due to being able to drop the engine and transmission in together and it only requiring one angle of access to the car (top or bottom access). RWD cars need these components installed separately and require multiple angles of access to the car (top and bottom access). Supposedly the logistics of tunneling a drivetrain through the car, to the rear, also adds engineering complexities as well as additional parts and cost. I'm in the same boat as you though, I'll readily admit I'm not technologically intelligent with respect to the engineering costs of building a platform, so I'd love if someone here who has a great deal of knowledge could confirm/deny this or add more to the conversation.

The other reason I saw tossed around by Pierre was not so much about the raw costs that RWD adds to the platform, but that developing a new platform, whether its FWD or RWD, simply costs a great deal of money. They couldn't justify creating an entirely new platform that would be used for just one car that would sell 50-60k units a year (their estimates). This seems to make sense to me when I think about how much auto manufacturers re-use platforms for their cars. Rarely do they ever have a unique platform for a car (excluding cars like the GTR). I mean, even look at the Alpha platform Camaro--GM didn't invest all that money for just the Camaro, it was borrowed directly from Cadillac and is being used on multiple cars.

They asked Pierre about a possible FWD version, and while he didn't rule it out completely, he mentioned that in itself would require an investment to completely change the proportions of the car.

UNKNOWN_370

I think Nissan is making excuses for there lack of competitiveness. I find some bunk to the logic in the fact that creating the tunnel to the drive train creates complexity logic based on the fact that the very first cars were RWD and with technology today, I'm sure we have or can create engineering shortcuts to reduce the cost.

Here's where Toyota/Subaru gets their props. They came together and split the cost to create the FT-86. We are partnered with Renault, Mercedes-Benz.... I'm sure there's something that can be done to make financial sense of a new platform.

In the case of the IDX. The powertrain is the in the Juke. Even if the idx was made FWD with a manual button to engage AWD in sport mode and give it the lowest center of gravity possible. That would make a great car.

The real dilemma Nissan is facing is that everything they've designed outside of the Z, murano, Titan & GT-R is they've all been paired to a CVT. Now Nissan would have to either create a brand new aggressively tuned automatic transmission to serve these ideas... And that costs money. I wonder how the CVT version of the WRX is doing? I imagine not very well. But then again, making these cars purely as manual will also limit sales.
Nissan, Honda, have destroyed performance literally by sticking by CVT technology.

I believe Hyundai Kia & Mazda are growing because of their dedication to dual clutch and slush box technology.
I believe Nissan has created their own financial setbacks by competing with him drum brands like Toyota & Honda instead of keeping there eyes on the American market like they did in the 90's.

If we don't put out some good performance cars? We're screwed. We don't have the press on our pockets like Toyota and Honda. Our cars have to do more than there's for the money. That's why Hyundai Kia market share has grown so much. They know this. We will lose our position ahead of them if we don't wake up?

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