Bmw m2

vividracing · 10-15-2015, 11:34 AM

Idk, at this point the amount of "M" models is kind of out of control. Is there really a need to have an M version of every car they make? It kind of detracts from the essence of what the car is to me.

FPenvy · 10-15-2015, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Idk, at this point the amount of "M" models is kind of out of control. Is there really a need to have an M version of every car they make? It kind of detracts from the essence of what the car is to me.

I think it's smart. you got the groups of people who end up getting the 235 or 335 or whatever and adding the little baby M stuff to not spend the extra 10/20/30k for the M version itself. but the way they did it now with the M2 comin in 10K less MSRP than the M3/M4 should help move more units. that's the point in the end really is moving units.

regardless fo if you feel it's oversaturation or on the flip it's good to branch out I personally dig the M2.

hell if the M4 wasn't the cost of a GT-R after you add a couple options that would be a nice car to have as well lol

m4a1mustang · 10-15-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Idk, at this point the amount of "M" models is kind of out of control. Is there really a need to have an M version of every car they make? It kind of detracts from the essence of what the car is to me.

I think it makes sense for the 2, 3&4, and 5. The M SUVs are silly but people buy them.

Now the M-Sport line, as an M-Sport owner, is kind of silly. I wish they didn't have as much M branding on what really isn't an M car, but apparently it sells.

BlackZeda · 10-16-2015, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Idk, at this point the amount of "M" models is kind of out of control. Is there really a need to have an M version of every car they make? It kind of detracts from the essence of what the car is to me.

This will be an unpopular statement, but I totally agree with you especially about the M3, M5 and M6 Grand Coupe (it's a f**king sedan). If you have 4 doors, what is the point about souping up a practical means of conveyance. When I have passengers in the car, I want to get them there as safely as possible in a comfortable manner. Plus people weight a lot. Now I suppose if I lived in Germany and I drove the autobahn I would have a different opinion.

The M2 is different in that there is no sedan version of the model, meaning it is a pure sports coupe, and for me that makes it slightly more practical than my Z, plus it has a lot more zip than the 2-series. It looks cool too. This puts me in their target market (provided that they offer it in XDrive).

m4a1mustang · 10-16-2015, 08:54 AM

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This will be an unpopular statement, but I totally agree with you especially about the M3, M5 and M6 Grand Coupe (it's a f**king sedan). If you have 4 doors, what is the point about souping up a practical means of conveyance. When I have passengers in the car, I want to get them there as safely as possible in a comfortable manner. Plus people weight a lot. Now I suppose if I lived in Germany and I drove the autobahn I would have a different opinion.

The M2 is different in that there is no sedan version of the model, meaning it is a pure sports coupe, and for me that makes it slightly more practical than my Z, plus it has a lot more zip than the 2-series. It looks cool too. This puts me in their target market (provided that they offer it in XDrive).

Just because something has 4 doors doesn't mean it has to be simply about practicality and efficiency. There is no rule that says only 2 door cars can be for performance. There are plenty of 4 door cars out there that are better sports cars than many 2 door cars.

tomas6791 · 10-16-2015, 12:44 PM

BMW M2 Visualizer Shows Us Some of the M Performance Parts

From the article:
You might consider that the €12,000 difference between the M2 and M4 might be justified, but then again, you don’t get as many carbon fiber parts on the new model as you do on its bigger brother. With the M Performance parts, you can make up for some of that ground but not to great lengths.

Photos and article - BMW M2 Visualizer Shows Us Some of the M Performance Parts

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BlackZeda · 10-17-2015, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Just because something has 4 doors doesn't mean it has to be simply about practicality and efficiency. There is no rule that says only 2 door cars can be for performance. There are plenty of 4 door cars out there that are better sports cars than many 2 door cars.

Are you saying that the 1) Panamera is better than the 911 or Cayman 2) M3 is better than the M4 3) SS is better than the Corvette 4) Maxima or Q50 is better than the Z....

With that being said, the M2 isn't even a sports car. You are talking me out of even considering it 😝

m4a1mustang · 10-17-2015, 07:06 AM

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Are you saying that the 1) Panamera is better than the 911 or Cayman 2) M3 is better than the M4 3) SS is better than the Corvette 4) Maxima or Q50 is better than the Z....

With that being said, the M2 isn't even a sports car. You are talking me out of even considering it ��

I never once said any of those cars are better. I only said that your position on four door performance cars is ridiculous. It's as if you believe it is impossible for a four door car to perform "like a sports car" and therefore it's a waste. They should only be used for menial point A to point B transportation, according to you.

Ridiculous, I say!

Edit: Oh and the M3 and M4 are "about the same," however the M3 is better because it looks better.

m4a1mustang · 10-17-2015, 07:07 AM

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With that being said, the M2 isn't even a sports car. You are talking me out of even considering it 😝

The M2 will probably be more of a sports car than our front-heavy dump truck of a 370Z.

/Angelo350Z/ · 10-28-2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Idk, at this point the amount of "M" models is kind of out of control. Is there really a need to have an M version of every car they make? It kind of detracts from the essence of what the car is to me.

The "M" Option is very common and available for every single BMW model in Germany. For instance, a lowly 1992 530 had an "M" option from the dealer which included an upgraded steering wheel, suspension, badge, etc. The M2, on the other hand seems like a decent, but not not great, deal for under $60K with 370+ hp. I mean, it all depends on how much one is willing to pay for 20+ hp over a Nismo. I might still pick a Cayman S over an M2 though.

DLSTR · 10-17-2015, 10:37 AM

BMW M235i vs. Mercedes CLA45 AMG vs. Subaru WRX STI Comparison
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BMW M235i vs. Mercedes CLA45 AMG vs. Subaru WRX STI - Motor Trend All Pages

Read this. I have both the M235i and the 15 STi. Enjoy the link. Endorphins = Fun and the 4 doors doesnt too bad. Worth a look

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-18-2015, 03:37 PM

Those air dams are ugly as f#ck
Are they going to fix that numb azz steering?
What's the ride height going to be like?
Are they lowering this thing to a respectable sports car height?

Tired of cars labeled as sports cars feeling like conservative GT's.

m4a1mustang · 10-18-2015, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Those air dams are ugly as f#ck
Are they going to fix that numb azz steering?
What's the ride height going to be like?
Are they lowering this thing to a respectable sports car height?

Tired of cars labeled as sports cars feeling like conservative GT's.

Ride height looks fine in the pics? More "sports car" height than the stock Z.

If the steering is anything like the M3/M4, it will be pretty good.

Sports car... I believe these are called sport coupés.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-22-2015, 01:08 AM

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Ride height looks fine in the pics? More "sports car" height than the stock Z.

If the steering is anything like the M3/M4, it will be pretty good.

Sports car... I believe these are called sport coupés.

M4 feels artificial.
The Z even needed a one inch drop. Height as in frs. The one thing they got 100% right.
And these sport coupes talk a lot of sports car shyt so I call them sports cars. E46m3 was a sports coupe that did sports car shyt sooo...

The M235 is seems to get higher praise for balance, which I like to hear... But I hear people say things like... It's not the best steering feel in the world. People tend to downplay how bad it is due to the brand. But I didn't care for the M4 steering feel AT ALL.

BlackZeda · 10-22-2015, 01:55 PM

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M4 feels artificial.
The Z even needed a one inch drop. Height as in frs. The one thing they got 100% right.
And these sport coupes talk a lot of sports car shyt so I call them sports cars. E46m3 was a sports coupe that did sports car shyt sooo...

The M235 is seems to get higher praise for balance, which I like to hear... But I hear people say things like... It's not the best steering feel in the world. People tend to downplay how bad it is due to the brand. But I didn't care for the M4 steering feel AT ALL.

When I test drove the M4 I felt like I was in a blinged-out, really fast Camry coupe. Not too bad, but I wasn't inspired. The manual version had the longest clutch throw I have ever experienced. That freaked me out.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Those air dams are ugly as f#ck Are they going to fix that numb azz steering? What's the ride height going to be like? Are they lowering this thing to a respectable sports car height? Tired of cars labeled as sports cars feeling like conservative GT's. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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tomas6791 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: United States Posts: 20 Drives: e55 Rep Power: 11	BMW M2 Visualizer Shows Us Some of the M Performance Parts From the article: You might consider that the €12,000 difference between the M2 and M4 might be justified, but then again, you don’t get as many carbon fiber parts on the new model as you do on its bigger brother. With the M Performance parts, you can make up for some of that ground but not to great lengths. Photos and article - BMW M2 Visualizer Shows Us Some of the M Performance Parts .