I remember that article, it is a good read!

I've been pretty impressed with the N55 (and N54) equipped BMWs. You can kind of build your own little M car depending on how you mod it, as highlighted by that Alpina.

After owning the M235i now for 2+years its amazing how much fun, pure driving fun this car is. Plenty o'power for that morning Autobahn run, nice brakes and great torque. Daily driving is fun!

The M2 to me will be the best M car. The 4 is a boat. Its huge and to be honest, as that article points out the value on the marginal difference in performance compared to others is not great at all. Size gets me down about it, its just too big and lacks the toss'ability an Mcar should provide.

The M2 is on the radar now. I wont consider the 4 and will not bother testing it. An engaging drive is never about just power! :) I should be able to M2 test in March if things go well according to my dealer here.

I agree that the M2 will be the best "Driver's M" car. I do like the M4 a lot as a grand tourer. I'd actually take a new Camaro SS over the M4... it's more fun to drive.

Continuing with the topic of BMW, my wife and I are considering buying an E70 X5 35i. Either a Sport Activity or M-Sport variant. If we do, I'm probably going to sell/trade my Z for it and take over our 2013 335i M-Sport. I'm in need of a car that is a bit more polished and practical anyway (new job, new lifestyle,) so I think it makes sense. If we go that route, I'm definitely adding Bilstein PSS10s, and maybe a JB Stage 1 for a little bit of extra power.

335M-Sport is a nice way to start the day!!

2016 BMW M2 | car review @ Top Speed

Another full overview here of the M2. Interesting commentary about weight savings.

when the new q60 coupe comes out, I might test drive the m2 as well and see how I they stack up. Looking for fun to drive, sporty, bit more refined with less NVH and a semi-usable (at least throw some people back the for an hour) back seat. M4 is a bit more $$$ then I want to spend. I'm hoping I like the Infiniti since I am not really a German ca rguy and BMWs are like Hondas and Toyotas where I live. At least a m2 would be a bit unique compared tot he the tons of 3/4s (ms as well) rolling around here.

I'm leaning towards the M2. While I like the new Q60 it's disappointing they got rid of the MT and the AT seems like a carry over. Another unknown is its weight. I like the Q60, but so far I know for sure the M2 is light, 0-60 is blazing fast at 4.1s w/DCT and it comes nearly fully equipped. I was hoping they would give us some figures on the Q60 when it debut so we can compare. I do however think the interior of the Q60 blows the socks off the M2.

Depends what you consider light. A lot of people bash the Z for being heavy, but the m2 isn't any lighter and with the DCT, it's going to be close to 3500lbs. I expect the q60 to be somewhere int he 3600 range for weight but we will see. That weight range will put it in the m4 ballpark. Hopefully, it doesn't go Merc/Lexus weight ie. really fat. The m2 is a smaller car on a smaller platform so it will def be lighter. I expect ti to be cost more than the q60 as well when optioned. If they want to sell the q60, the 400 hp version needs to not be more than the low 50s.

The M4 never appealed to me, but for whatever reason I'm really liking the M2. It's proportions and styling are just right. It's been awhile since BMW has really had my attention. The last M car I cared for was the E46 M3

The M2 just made my list.

https://youtu.be/wP5z2cJ5aqk

I don't trust magazines with Bimmerphile corporate drones. MT has been one of the least biased reviewers in the mainstream magazine sector. Especially when it reviews the boys in Bavaria... So I trust when they give a thumbs up to a BMW review.

dude i completely forgot to take pics but we had 2 M2's at cars and coffee this past weekend.

the one guy who always films put his video out which for once my face rather than my car made it into lol

theres some nice angles of the M2 in here though

Somehow I missed the M2 in this... but that vette looked insane. That GT-R was broken n I gotta show love to those Mustang's. They looked n sounded sick.

Porsche repped hard, so did Ferrari. Nice cars n coffee.

im still mad that the one guy only brought out his 650 mclaren and left the P1 at home. weather was perfect.

usually theres much more lambo love from the channel owner sicne he has an aventador and a huracan lol

there was probably 500+ cars there this past weeknd which may be the record so far. it's been growning at an insane rate lately

I've been looking at this one for the wife
She test drove one and really liked it

welp the M2 has TQ stock but the HP numbers arent great lol



i think something is wrong here.....


290whp/350wtq on a dynodynamic dyno

i dont think that the car would lose 22% through a 6MT

even something like my 7AT in the Z is only around 17-20% loss

He said the probability of the gas having too little octane is the culprit.

https://youtu.be/QdMkccgwP8g


Unlike the M4, this sounds good. I can only imagine what a properly tuned aftermarket exhaust would sound like.

I just wish it looked just a little more exotic. A little more distinct. But it's a handsome vehicle, none the least.

Agreed. :driving::iagree:

Offer it in xDrive and I might be a potentia buyer, but until then I will be eyeballing an Audi or (shudder) VW :shakes head:

An X-drive M car? That would like kill M heritage driving dynamics. So why the must have AWD in your sports application?

yea I was a bit confused when I just read the sentence "AWD M....." :confused:

:rofl2:

I been watching different reviews. Some say it has ZERO FEEDBACK, others say steering is sublime.Some say it' sounds artificial, while others say it sounds better than a m4.

If I go this route? I'm getting an aftermarket exhaust n the worlds loudest BOV's. So I'll solve that issue. But I really hate numb steering. Smh.

I could really give a s**t about BMW's "M heritage" since they have sullied it with all their recent offerings (an "M" SUV!). I just want a performance winter car which seems Audi, VW, Ford and Subaru seem capable to offer, whereas BMW are apparently falling behind Chevy in RWD performance. I have my Z for my sports application thank you very much.

the reviews have been here and there which sucks for people like us who may be interested. not like a dealership will be too pleased if we went hard on a test drive to actually feel what it would be like to push it to that limit lol

I agree I would drop the cats, probably the mufflers too, and let the extra boost vent to atmos :driving:

however........I don't know why but I'm still holding on to the slight bit of hope of a new Z. because IF they make one it'll be the same weight or less than the M@ with more HP and just 10-15ft/lbs less torque. also I think it'll look much better than the M2. I do like the look of the M2 I just think a Z if styled correctly is going to be better.

OK... Well I only asked cuz you said you'd take this car in AWD. This isn't the 235i M-Sport, this is "The M2"

It's true, that BMW as a whole company, sucks, but this particular model seems to be a benchmark model, though, I'll reserve judgement till I test drive one. Obviously almost all of us have Z's here and love them. In my case I'm not looking to replace a Z. I'm looking to add to a Z.

I wasn't asking to rustle your Jimmie's. I was just curious why an AWD M? That in reality, having driven an E46 would completely suck. But yeah, you're on the right track with those other cars you like. Audi, and such. Or you have the 335xi M sport. I don't know what your budget is but I think the jaguar XE and F-Pace would be some hot looking alternatives.

Good luck on your search bruh.

We're in the same boat, I'm giving Nissan till the end of this year to have DIRECT NEWS about the Z. The Q60 coupe is on my list. I just want to see other colors and variations. I intend to test drive that this winter. They style is growing on me. They've taken some good camera angles as of late.

I'm dying for another Z with hydraulic steering and an improvement in tightness at TDC. The Z in my opinion is uneclipseable when you're talking handling to feedback ratio for the money. A modifiable turbo Z gets me horny. And pics of a car version grip Z makes me stroke into orgasm. The next gen Z is it for me. Strongly considering trading mine in for a silver nismo, and doing n/a mods like new plenum, camshafts, short tube headers and a meisterschaft axle back. See if I could crank out a straight 400hp in NA mods on a Nismo, to compliment a turbo nismo Z35

Just a thought I've been toying with. I originally wanted a turbo kit on my car but then I thought. An extra 180lbs on an already heavy front? Naaah

for the money you need to get to 400 NA HP I'd rather go boost.

also the Q60 is going to be overpriced. a Q50 AWD 3.0T 400 red sport with tech option is 60k or 58k for RWD. for that money I would rather have the BMW M2 or something else. the Q50 hasn't grown on me and the Q60 will easily be 60k as well which for that price you can have a Z51 C7 or a very used GT-R.

I would have to drive them back to back. The Q60 should be a little lighter than the M2 and have 30 more hp. It may have Z like driving dynamics at that weight and power level. But the M2 has DCT which makes it a more compelling offer, plus the rarity of an M car. But we'll see.

I know getting in cams and getting the right tune will be halfway to a turbo in terms of money. But you're talking 180lbs to the front of the car. Plus having to bulk up the AT to handle turbo power which nod throws the cost higher for the turbo. The NA set up will last longer in reliability and hopefully I'll have the Z35 to mod the stock turbos to.

think it'll come down to the price whenever it's announced for the Q60.

if it drives well and is lighter/more power than an M2 then its a good choice. however if it's around the price I think it'll be I'd rather own a Z51 Vette.

I really wish Nissan would just spill the beans already about another Z

I am in the same boat...I test drove the M4 in MT and AT, which solidified my commitment to keeping my Z and looking for an AWD for the winter. Every little mod I have done to the Z since then has only strengthened my love for it.

No rustled Jimmy...just having a conversation about cars, which I appreciate your comments.

Since I have had no problems (because of my current situation) using my Z as a DD even in the winter I am in no rush to spend a load of money on a new car, but when I do I think the Audi TT RS or VW Golf R400 (if that happens in the US) might be on my radar in terms of price and capability.

Same here... no rush for me either. I just want to expand the garage so I can switch up driving experiences. But I want a car leaning toward traditional sports car road manners. So I'm taking my sweet time to make the right purchase/s

TFL REVIEW
https://youtu.be/sPccZZSGZRg

Strangely, all of these gushing reviews of the M2 are really turning me off of it. I remember just a few months ago how awesome the M3/4 was and all of a sudden it is complete garbage compared to the M2. It seems there are so many better options out there.

The proof is in the test drive. I hope I can find a tester.

Electronic steering is usually the turn off.

Are these out yet? I SWEAR I saw one my way to work this morning.

yes they're out.


there is 2 at the dealership by my house actually.

also we had 2 at cars and coffee last week.

I see a M4s and M3s here in Germany on a daily basis, but haven't seen an M2 in person. Has anyone driven both an M2 and M4? I'm really curious to see whether the M4 is worth the extra money compared to the M2.

Its really sharp looking, quite a bit more compact than an m3/4. i really like it. Alot.