Are you saying that the 1) Panamera is better than the 911 or Cayman 2) M3 is better than the M4 3) SS is better than the Corvette 4) Maxima or Q50 is better than the Z....

With that being said, the M2 isn't even a sports car. You are talking me out of even considering it 😝

I never once said any of those cars are better. I only said that your position on four door performance cars is ridiculous. It's as if you believe it is impossible for a four door car to perform "like a sports car" and therefore it's a waste. They should only be used for menial point A to point B transportation, according to you.

Ridiculous, I say!

Edit: Oh and the M3 and M4 are "about the same," however the M3 is better because it looks better.

The M2 will probably be more of a sports car than our front-heavy dump truck of a 370Z. :p :icon18:

BMW M235i vs. Mercedes CLA45 AMG vs. Subaru WRX STI Comparison
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Read this. I have both the M235i and the 15 STi. Enjoy the link. Endorphins = Fun and the 4 doors doesnt too bad. Worth a look :)

Those air dams are ugly as f#ck
Are they going to fix that numb azz steering?
What's the ride height going to be like?
Are they lowering this thing to a respectable sports car height?

Tired of cars labeled as sports cars feeling like conservative GT's.

Ride height looks fine in the pics? More "sports car" height than the stock Z.

If the steering is anything like the M3/M4, it will be pretty good.

Sports car... I believe these are called sport coupés. ;)

Did the math and configured the M2 the way I want it. Here's the breakdown...

Assuming base price is $51,000.00
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2MK – M-DKG Drivelogic
248 – Steering wheel heating
3AG – Reversing camera
430 – Interior/outside auto dimming mirror with dip
431 – Interior rear-view auto dimming mirror
459 – Seat adjustment, electric, with memory
488 – Lumbar support, driver and passenger (electric)
494 – Seat heating, driver and passenger
563 – Light package
6AK – Connected Drive Services
6AM – Realtime Traffic
609 – Navigation Professional
654 – DAB Tuner
674 – Harman Kardon Professional
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Total Options: $9,425.00
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Destination & Handling: $995
=
TOTAL: $61,420

I did the best I could getting accurate pricing for options by using current pricing from multiple BMW models. This is obviously a guesstimate but at least gives an idea of what it would cost. I've been driving a BMW for the past 12yrs and am currently on my fourth Bimmer, so I'm quite familiar with how BMW markets their cars. BMW also tends to offer some options individually while others are lumped together in a package. Sometimes it works out in your favor where a package has all the options you want and comes in less expensive then if purchased individually. Other times it doesn't, because they lump in other options into a package which you cannot purchase individually.

With that in mind the pricing may come in a lot less depending on packages or you'll find yourself paying less because you'll skip a package altogether since the one or two items you want are bundled with several others you don't. You also need to keep in mind these are MSRP numbers. I think the M2 will be selling like hotcakes for a while so don't really see you getting much below MSRP, maybe $500 if you're lucky. Chances are better in the off season where you can negotiate lower, possibly 1,500.00~$2,000.00 depending on sales and demand. BMW also offers incentives during that time such as low financing, rebates of around $1,000.00 and even free upgrade of options ranging from $800.00~$1,500.00.

To answer the question; can a "sensibly" well equipped M2 be had for under $60,000? The answer is YES (not including tax!).

You have a good point there. Of all the mods that I have done so far, the Z1 rotors may have improved the feel of the Z the most. Arguably my favorite so far.

M4 feels artificial.
The Z even needed a one inch drop. Height as in frs. The one thing they got 100% right.
And these sport coupes talk a lot of sports car shyt so I call them sports cars. E46m3 was a sports coupe that did sports car shyt sooo...

The M235 is seems to get higher praise for balance, which I like to hear... But I hear people say things like... It's not the best steering feel in the world. People tend to downplay how bad it is due to the brand. But I didn't care for the M4 steering feel AT ALL.

When I test drove the M4 I felt like I was in a blinged-out, really fast Camry coupe. Not too bad, but I wasn't inspired. The manual version had the longest clutch throw I have ever experienced. That freaked me out.

I don't blame you guys at all for not liking the steering feel. I have a 2013 335i and BMWs EPAS certainly isn't anything like Porsche's.

I respect BENZ for what they did with their amg gts in terms of keeping the hydraulic rack. It gives the car a personality and I'm hoping that when I test drive that one... I won't be disappointed? I doubt it though.

Almost bought a C400, but before I commit to these pricier cars I want to make sure I want to keep them more than 3 or 4 years. The C400 thus far is the best electric steering rack to date that I've tested it has perfect resistance without the artificiality, and gets just barely enough feedback to feel like you're driving a real car. It's pretty aggressive and I want to try the c450 sport. It's BENZ version of a bimmer IS model.

I've ditched cars altogether in favor of motorcycles for the ultimate level of feedback!

Thanks for making this statement. You proved my point from 4 years ago about electronics and EV technology zapping the life out of cars.

I was anti-overengineering, you were pro...

My point was about vehicles losing their soul for accuracy. You claimed sports will still be fun based on the power levels we will achieve. You agreed to disagree.

4 years later, your feedback is coming from bikes. Which is great. I used to ride off road bikes in PR many moons ago. So I feel you but...

SPORTS CARS are amazing when done right.
We need a Alfa 4c performance clone in more sports cars, with the option of a manual. That shouldn't be hard.

This is how I felt but couldn't get the right words to describe it. This is perfect!!!

Haha! It's not that at all. I've just decided that, for the money, I'd rather buy a bike! They are so much more economical. I paid $2000 for my first bike and have had more fun on it than any of my other cars combined. Next year I might spend $5-10k and buy another bike, and have even more fun.

I still love a "over-engineered" Porsche 911, I just don't give enough ***** to pay for one! It's a taste change, and proves nothing!

I view cars now less as tools for fun and more as just tools. I still like them and I still get enjoyment from them, but after discovering the two-wheeled world everything has changed. Driving a car, no matter how good, just doesn't even come close to the excitement of riding. It's visceral, man. You're so exposed to... everything.

sooooo it's like when you first rode a penis....you then quickly became gay? :bowrofl:

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Isn't that how it is for everyone? :yum:

:bowrofl:


I dig bikes but i'll probably never own one. I have an issue with high speed lol

also I've grown up around bikes/bikers through my dad and his friends and it's not the issue of the bike being dangerous. it's the fact that most drivers on the road are idiots.

Isn't that the truth. You pick up on a lot more idiocy when you're riding. It can get exciting for sure!

I think you are the first case of suffering from a "vehicular identity crisis"! LMFAO :rofl2::rofl2:

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Nah, man, I'm in a good spot right now when you think about it. I have a modest sports car and sport sedan. Both are fun to drive and relatively economical. Then I have my two bikes, which are just fun on a completely different level... hard to describe. I get utility + fun from my cars, and then just outright fun from my bikes.

It's just safe to say that, since entering the two-wheeled realm, my lust for really expensive cars has waned. That's a good thing, I think. I save money in the long run, although I suppose my risk of catastrophic injury is a bit higher now. :p

Looks horrible, not a fan of the styling, 51k for that thing? wtf? you'd have to like, give me the money to buy that, and then I'd sell it.

I'm F*ckin with you... :rofl: I would like a hyubusa & I'm actually thinking about hot rodding a Can-am spyder I see potential in those to have something fun and unique. But I'll deal with that after I decide what to do about my next sports car. These companies are all taking SOOOOO long.

Can-ams are a lot of fun.

You're comparing an M4's looks or otherwise to a Camry? I get that a car is subjective to each person, but that's beyond explanation. :rolleyes:

What exactly do you have against Camry's?

The "M" Option is very common and available for every single BMW model in Germany. For instance, a lowly 1992 530 had an "M" option from the dealer which included an upgraded steering wheel, suspension, badge, etc. The M2, on the other hand seems like a decent, but not not great, deal for under $60K with 370+ hp. I mean, it all depends on how much one is willing to pay for 20+ hp over a Nismo. I might still pick a Cayman S over an M2 though.

20 hp really doesn't mean much here. This car will probably dominate the Nismo, which at damn near 47k loaded is a ripoff.

It really is overpriced. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would rather get a Mustang GT than a $47K Nismo.

I'll see myself out ...

A friend of mine who tracks a lot and is actually an instructor with a HPDE instructor said the m4 felt squishy and that the steering feel was horrible. He basically says the m4 sucks (current gen, not the older ones). Anyhow, I spec-ed out a m4 and ende up at 77k so a m2 would def be over 60k (DCT). I'm not a faa of the looks of the m2, though. I'm hoping the q60 coupe will be ood or the next Z will be. Steering feel is my biggest concern with the new cars though since they all seem to be going the electronic steering route.

I've seen lots of reviews that upon their first drives came to the same conclusion about the M4 not "feeling" right. On later test rides these same reviewers made changes to the M settings (Comfort, Sport or Sport +) for steering, dampers and throttle response. They went from being displeased with the car to raving about it. Electronic steering sucks pretty much all around and the M4 is no exception but the electric steering for it is better than most others and its a technology that's here to stay. If anyone thinks the Q60 or next Z won't have it, keep dreaming.

Not much of a bimmer fan..but if I had money I would make this my daily driver.

BMW M2 Clip Is Aimed At Driving Enthusiasts

M4, nothing less!!!
BMW can keep these little M mini me's..................:shakes head:

No way, man. The M4 is huge compared to the M3s of old. The M2 is practically the new M3.

http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/up...M2-750x500.jpg

Can't deny that, but I still like the M4 better, LOL.

M4a - this caused quite a bit of fuss when this was released!!

BMW M4??? Not so fast! :) Comparison: BMW M4 vs M235i vs B4 Biturbo | Autocar

taffyapple syndrome finally hits europe :shakes head: