The new Alfa Romeo Giulia

ZCanadian · 02-21-2017, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

An Italian Firm Has Already Tuned The Giulia Quadrifoglio To 604 HP

Check this OUT!!!

LOL - Pogea Racing is a German tuner, not Italian, so I'd take the rest of the article with a grain of salt. But I do know that Eduard Pogea has had his hands on one of the first early-release Giulia's in Europe since about last August. If anyone can tune it, he can.

Here in the USA, Euro-Compulsion has taken delivery of a Giulia as well, and will be supporting the model with a tune and other performance parts.

carlitos_370z · 02-21-2017, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

https://www.google.com/amp/www.roada...-coupe-geneva/

A Lil tidbit in this article states that the Giulia will have a 350HP version called the Veloce. My personal speculation would put it closer to 375-400hp to make it more competitive.

Maybe styling will bring it closer to the Giulia but more affordable. That would be a GREAT option.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-02-2017, 05:11 AM

Mustang Dyno results for Alfa Romeo Giulia and scale weight.

392HP. 389lb ft torque

Well mustang dynos usually show a 22% loss of power which means that Alfa hit their power numbers right on the head. 503HP. So on the dynojet it should read 428HP 425lb tq

3,700lbs
To get the type of performance out this car with about 428rwhp and weigh 3,700lbs. You can smell Ferrari heritage all over this car.

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Gets Dyno'd With Surprising Result

ZCanadian · 03-02-2017, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Mustang Dyno results for Alfa Romeo Giulia and scale weight.

392HP. 389lb ft torque

Well mustang dynos usually show a 22% loss of power which means that Alfa hit their power numbers right on the head. 503HP. So on the dynojet it should read 428HP 425lb tq

3,700lbs
To get the type of performance out this car with about 428rwhp and weigh 3,700lbs. You can smell Ferrari heritage all over this car.

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Gets Dyno'd With Surprising Result

Mustang Dyno. I'd say the test is badly flawed and not worth the bandwidth it takes to download it.

I've not heard of this 22% loss thing - could be but sounds strange to me.

What I do know is that the Alfa 4C is notoriously tricky to dyno other than with a high end tool in a professional shop. If there is any difference at all between the front and rear wheel rotation speeds, or if the intake airflow doesn't match what was expected on the speedo, or if the cooling airflow is insufficient, the ECU simply pulls power. That is true regardless of driving mode (nannies on or off). It was a major problem for a number of tuners to deal with, so this isn't the ramblings of one person. A few blower fans and your neighbourhood tuner shop dyno isn't going to work on these cars.

There is no reason to think that the Giulia is set up any differently.

Personally, I call ******** on the entire test.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-02-2017, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Mustang Dyno. I'd say the test is badly flawed and not worth the bandwidth it takes to download it.

I've not heard of this 22% loss thing - could be but sounds strange to me.

What I do know is that the Alfa 4C is notoriously tricky to dyno other than with a high end tool in a professional shop. If there is any difference at all between the front and rear wheel rotation speeds, or if the intake airflow doesn't match what was expected on the speedo, or if the cooling airflow is insufficient, the ECU simply pulls power. That is true regardless of driving mode (nannies on or off). It was a major problem for a number of tuners to deal with, so this isn't the ramblings of one person. A few blower fans and your neighbourhood tuner shop dyno isn't going to work on these cars.

There is no reason to think that the Giulia is set up any differently.

Personally, I call ******** on the entire test.

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=1875190

Mustang dyno numbers = low? - LS1TECH

BlackZeda · 03-02-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=1875190

Mustang dyno numbers = low? - LS1TECH

Unknown 370; I see you are interested in quite a few cars, but I am wondering what likelihood of if and when you are going to do it? Are you looking to replace your Z and which are your frontrunners right now?

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-02-2017, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

Unknown 370; I see you are interested in quite a few cars, but I am wondering what likelihood of if and when you are going to do it? Are you looking to replace your Z and which are your frontrunners right now?

I've been observing cars for 2 years to add. People might find this dumb because people complain about our Z's so much but... with the minor mods I put in. I absolutely LOVE the Z34 platform. I've driven several cars. I can acknowledge that some are substantially better than the Z in overall performance. But the Z's weird combination of truckish pull, exotic style handling, progressively quick acceleration, poise in the curves, while it's NVH gives it a raw visceral feel really excites me. Our Z's have perfect power and feel very mechanical. Not Rx7 mechanical but... for the current times we live only the Z evo and STi give you that certain visceral feel that makes Japanese cars exciting.

That's why I fear the next generation. If the Z becomes any more muted. It will feel like every other performance car. Sure, everything is better than the Z according to the status quo. But the Z is still king in my book when you talk about passion. I WILL NOT SELL MY Z. But I also think about on the final year model Z34. I'm considering getting a NISMO. But that's is separate of my next two purchases. I will most likely get a second year Giulia but I'm really really hoping for a Z35 that doesn't disappoint.

If that doesn't work out, I will open the option of the new Supra. If that doesn't work out. I will now have to sacrifice funds I didn't want to spend and go upmarket on a sports car. If I go that route? I really don't want to go past $130k. So the cars I'll look at are...

2018/19 Porsche 911 GTS
BMW M2
Camaro ZL1

In the running but dimensions are odd.
Mercedes amg GT S maybe, depending on price
Corvette GS

As stupid as it seems. I truly love Japanese sports cars. So I rather buy an underdog but...
If I did something like buy a Porsche? It'll be my last sports car for a DECADE.

Oh... I get angry with Nissan cuz, Nissan has literally held up my purchase because of their lack of info. Yes Nissan has had me on freeze like a biatch.

BlackZeda · 03-03-2017, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I've been observing cars for 2 years...

Not stupid at all in regard to loving Japanese cars, since I have not owned anything else expect for a couple starter cars when I was in high school. I am right there with you with the Z as well. Even though I consider mine somewhat of a lemon I will be keeping it forever. I can definitely see the day when I bring it to a shop and give them $30K with the directive to "make this the best Z possible". The only cars that even are close to the looks of the Z would be Aston Martins and Jaguars IMO. I really like the Camaro and Corvette, but next to the Z they just look big and uninteresting. Every modification to my Z so far has netted a noticeable improvement which translates into MORE FUN!

We are both in almost identical positions, except unless Toyota blows it, the new Supra will be my next car. I am so anxious and excited for the unveiling in October! A purpose built chassis (in collaboration with BMW) by itself will hopefully translate into making it a superior curve-carver without having to put a ridiculously huge engine in it. Also, since I live in high altitude and experience winter weather I am very much open to a hybrid option to mitigate the issues I experience.

If they do blow it, then my fallbacks are:

Porsche 911 (AWD model)
Nissan GTR
Audi TT RS or S5 RS

I would have considered a BMW M2 or M4 but the piped-in engine noise is absolutely unforgivable (yet bizarrely purists in regard to only offering Ms in RWD). Being a "BMW owner" isn't something I aspire to either.

Mercedes is simply too expensive in the sense that if I am spending that much money, I would rather just buy a Porsche where I would get more bang for the buck.

I love the concept of the Alfa Romeo 4C and Giulia, but I would never buy an Italian car even though I love Ferraris.

Thanks for the insight and I look forward to what you land on in the future and the ensuing reviews!

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-03-2017, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

Not stupid at all in regard to loving Japanese cars, since I have not owned anything else expect for a couple starter cars when I was in high school. I am right there with you with the Z as well. Even though I consider mine somewhat of a lemon I will be keeping it forever. I can definitely see the day when I bring it to a shop and give them $30K with the directive to "make this the best Z possible". The only cars that even are close to the looks of the Z would be Aston Martins and Jaguars IMO. I really like the Camaro and Corvette, but next to the Z they just look big and uninteresting. Every modification to my Z so far has netted a noticeable improvement which translates into MORE FUN!

We are both in almost identical positions, except unless Toyota blows it, the new Supra will be my next car. I am so anxious and excited for the unveiling in October! A purpose built chassis (in collaboration with BMW) by itself will hopefully translate into making it a superior curve-carver without having to put a ridiculously huge engine in it. Also, since I live in high altitude and experience winter weather I am very much open to a hybrid option to mitigate the issues I experience.

If they do blow it, then my fallbacks are:

Porsche 911 (AWD model)
Nissan GTR
Audi TT RS or S5 RS

I would have considered a BMW M2 or M4 but the piped-in engine noise is absolutely unforgivable (yet bizarrely purists in regard to only offering Ms in RWD). Being a "BMW owner" isn't something I aspire to either.

Mercedes is simply too expensive in the sense that if I am spending that much money, I would rather just buy a Porsche where I would get more bang for the buck.

I love the concept of the Alfa Romeo 4C and Giulia, but I would never buy an Italian car even though I love Ferraris.

Thanks for the insight and I look forward to what you land on in the future and the ensuing reviews!

The Audi S5 RS is a car I wouldn't mind looking into either. I've toyed with the idea, the interiors are amazing and the exterior is pleasant. Who knows?

The Giulia quadrifoglio ironically seems to have the most qualifications in being a true sports car outside of the Z. I look for a certain progression of performance that the Z, Porsche and seemingly now the Giulia has that other cars don't. With the power numbers to back it up.

FPenvy · 03-06-2017, 07:15 AM

Just had to make sure I was fully awake driving to work because I just saw a giulia. Was not a quadrafoglio but still wasn't expecting to see one yet.

BlackZeda · 03-06-2017, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

Just had to make sure I was fully awake driving to work because I just saw a giulia. Was not a quadrafoglio but still wasn't expecting to see one yet.

Was it on a tow truck?

FPenvy · 03-06-2017, 10:45 AM

Nope driving under its own power.

I guess I was unaware that the only Alfa dealer in my area is down the road from where I work. May have to go take a look later this week

ZCanadian · 03-06-2017, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

Nope driving under its own power.

I guess I was unaware that the only Alfa dealer in my area is down the road from where I work. May have to go take a look later this week

Did you know that the collective noun for a group of Alfa Romeo's seen in the wild is a "blessing"?
That's the same as for unicorns - because the latter are almost as rare!

BlackZeda · 03-06-2017, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

Nope driving under its own power.

I guess I was unaware that the only Alfa dealer in my area is down the road from where I work. May have to go take a look later this week

One of the members here works at an Infiniti dealership that also sells Alfas. He brought the Qua-whatever you call it to a cars and coffee and it was a big hit. They are pretty sharp for sure.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-13-2017, 04:11 PM

Maxim, the authority on cars wrote why tithe Giulia isn't so great. They made comments NO reviewers have stated except the sound of the Giulia not being Italian enough.

They claim the brakes don't stop the car? Doubt that considering the nurbergring record.

They said the car is too stiff? Take it out of race mode morons!!!

They said the car is too low.... SISSIES!!!

Remind me never to read another maxim review again!!!

6 Reasons Alfa Romeo's New Super Sports Sedan Isn't As Mind-Blowing As We Hoped - Maxim

03-02-2017, 05:11 AM	#78 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Mustang Dyno results for Alfa Romeo Giulia and scale weight. 392HP. 389lb ft torque Well mustang dynos usually show a 22% loss of power which means that Alfa hit their power numbers right on the head. 503HP. So on the dynojet it should read 428HP 425lb tq 3,700lbs To get the type of performance out this car with about 428rwhp and weigh 3,700lbs. You can smell Ferrari heritage all over this car. Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Gets Dyno'd With Surprising Result carlitos_370z likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 03-02-2017 at 05:30 AM.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Maxim, the authority on cars wrote why tithe Giulia isn't so great. They made comments NO reviewers have stated except the sound of the Giulia not being Italian enough. They claim the brakes don't stop the car? Doubt that considering the nurbergring record. They said the car is too stiff? Take it out of race mode morons!!! They said the car is too low.... SISSIES!!! Remind me never to read another maxim review again!!! 6 Reasons Alfa Romeo's New Super Sports Sedan Isn't As Mind-Blowing As We Hoped - Maxim carlitos_370z and ZCanadian like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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