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That's why I fear the next generation. If the Z becomes any more muted. It will feel like every other performance car. Sure, everything is better than the Z according to the status quo. But the Z is still king in my book when you talk about passion. I WILL NOT SELL MY Z. But I also think about on the final year model Z34. I'm considering getting a NISMO. But that's is separate of my next two purchases. I will most likely get a second year Giulia but I'm really really hoping for a Z35 that doesn't disappoint. If that doesn't work out, I will open the option of the new Supra. If that doesn't work out. I will now have to sacrifice funds I didn't want to spend and go upmarket on a sports car. If I go that route? I really don't want to go past $130k. So the cars I'll look at are... 2018/19 Porsche 911 GTS BMW M2 Camaro ZL1 In the running but dimensions are odd. Mercedes amg GT S maybe, depending on price Corvette GS As stupid as it seems. I truly love Japanese sports cars. So I rather buy an underdog but... If I did something like buy a Porsche? It'll be my last sports car for a DECADE. Oh... I get angry with Nissan cuz, Nissan has literally held up my purchase because of their lack of info. Yes Nissan has had me on freeze like a biatch. |
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We are both in almost identical positions, except unless Toyota blows it, the new Supra will be my next car. I am so anxious and excited for the unveiling in October! A purpose built chassis (in collaboration with BMW) by itself will hopefully translate into making it a superior curve-carver without having to put a ridiculously huge engine in it. Also, since I live in high altitude and experience winter weather I am very much open to a hybrid option to mitigate the issues I experience. If they do blow it, then my fallbacks are: Porsche 911 (AWD model) Nissan GTR Audi TT RS or S5 RS I would have considered a BMW M2 or M4 but the piped-in engine noise is absolutely unforgivable (yet bizarrely purists in regard to only offering Ms in RWD). Being a "BMW owner" isn't something I aspire to either. Mercedes is simply too expensive in the sense that if I am spending that much money, I would rather just buy a Porsche where I would get more bang for the buck. I love the concept of the Alfa Romeo 4C and Giulia, but I would never buy an Italian car even though I love Ferraris. Thanks for the insight and I look forward to what you land on in the future and the ensuing reviews! |
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The Giulia quadrifoglio ironically seems to have the most qualifications in being a true sports car outside of the Z. I look for a certain progression of performance that the Z, Porsche and seemingly now the Giulia has that other cars don't. With the power numbers to back it up. |
Just had to make sure I was fully awake driving to work because I just saw a giulia. Was not a quadrafoglio but still wasn't expecting to see one yet.
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That's the same as for unicorns - because the latter are almost as rare! :rofl2: |
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Maxim, the authority on cars wrote why tithe Giulia isn't so great. They made comments NO reviewers have stated except the sound of the Giulia not being Italian enough.
They claim the brakes don't stop the car? Doubt that considering the nurbergring record. They said the car is too stiff? Take it out of race mode morons!!! They said the car is too low.... SISSIES!!! Remind me never to read another maxim review again!!! 6 Reasons Alfa Romeo's New Super Sports Sedan Isn't As Mind-Blowing As We Hoped - Maxim |
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They apparently tested the knock-off from Audi! :rofl2: Stupid. Though their conclusion is right. If you are not enough of a man to buy a true sports car for fear your perfectly quaffed hair might be disturbed or your Tommy white jeans may get soiled, then buy the more reasonably priced TI version. Not everyone needs to set a Nurburgring lap record on their commute or when picking up the kids from school! |
We need Hanz & Franz to give these so called enthusiasts a pep talk so they can get "pumped up" and these girly men will want to drive a manly car.... Ya yahhh!! Lol
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I really love this car......except for the price. Just saw a test of one where it destroys everything but they showed it's price as tested being 85k.
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Looks like the Stelvio will be Coming sooner than later. It's been added to the line up as a pre-production model. My guess would be probably in November like the Giulia. https://www.alfaromeousa.com/cars/alfa-romeo-models |
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I practically wore out the configurator for the 4C, in the year between my original interest in the car and its actual arrival. But they are getting better now. You can actually even track your order now (something that the Germans have allowed you to do since the dawn of time, but apparently it's a new concept in Italy!!!). |
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Saw one in the flesh for the first time this week.
Quadrifoglio edition. Curiously, Alfa has dropped the "verde" from the moniker. Previous performance variants have been called Quadrifoglio Verde (for the green four leaf clover charm they carry), or QV for short. I guess they figure that's too big a mouthful for North Americans to handle, but then they offer it in colours like "Rosso Competizione", LOL! The car is smaller than I expected. In a good way. Definitely sporty. Interior is as stunning as the exterior. Italians can do leather like no others. The display flows nicely into the dash, and the wheel and shifter paddles are perfect. No 3-pedal variant in our or most markets for this car. In Natural mode, the car is silent. Switch to Race and it sounds amazing. Way better than any twin turbo 2-litre has a right to sound. The active aero front splitter deploys, and the driving dynamics are completely changed. I didn't take it for a drive, but thinking I may have to. There's an open house at our dealership next month, and they want my car on display anyway. Might have to make that part of a reciprocal arrangement. The biggest barrier to ownership is the price. This one, in Q trim and with every option except the available carbon seats and ceramic brakes (both priced much more reasonably than those by Porsche or Ferrari) priced out at CDN$97,000 before tax. Still, the base car is available for just over half that, and can be optioned up nicely for around CDN$70K, where it should sell quite well. I was impressed with the package. If the marque can get traction, and if Alfa gets its abysmal customer service situation sorted out, then they really could give BMW a run for their money. Probably not so much Mercedes, but that was never really in the cards. Those are big"if's", though. |
Same body as all the rest of the sedans with a slightly different front end and bumper and a huge $$ price tag all wrapped into one of the most unreliable brands ever.....
Hell you can buy a Pontiac G8 looks similar for 18k.... http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...3297db0df7.jpg |
That's ine way to look at it.
Another is that you are buying into the history of one of the most storied brands in motorsport. A G8 is a Chevy, and will forever own that. Well, not forever - at 40,000 miles, the sun visor will fall off. At 45, the seat recline lever will break. By 60K, you'll have replaced 3 wheel bearings 3 times. If you're not so sick to death of the cheap plastic interior and bonded pleather interior, that you've already sold it, that is. There's something about an Alfa that truly gets under your skin. They've had some bad times, for sure. But some amazingly brilliant cars as well. Sorry, that's comparing apples to dandelion seeds. |
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The Giulia has a Ferrari California engine with 2 cylinders lobbed off and two turbos to replace the lost cylinders. It has a ZF single clutch automatic transmission, 510HP and I think when you buy the Ti you're getting a bargain. The Giulia is appropriately priced for what it is. It only has 3 options. Ceramics, racing seats and A manual transmission in Europe. So you basically buy a loaded car. Option out an M4 and u pass Giulia pricing by $9,000 It's the fastest sedan around the nurburgring. Hey if you don't like it? I get it. One man's trash is another man's treasure. But a G8 is an outdated POS that compares to the worst M5 ever made. Not much of a feat and nowhere near the same ball park as this sedan. The pic you chose is also an overstatement to the realistic appearance of a g8 if you bought one right now... smh. Somebody please post a pic of a G8 from cars.com? I'm on my cell and can't right now... |
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The GXP G8 is a POS I agree, thats my point...but that POS looks similar to the Alfa which honestly should look much better since your paying a TON more. That POS G8 also has 415 Hp versus the Alfa Ti version of the Giulia which if I am not mistaken has 280 Hp ..The GXP G8 did 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds vs the TI doing over 5 seconds and quarter mile times? G8 13.0 seconds vs Ti 13.6....The GXP G8 also did Nurburgring in 8.30 thats 58 seconds slower than the 70k + version but definitely faster than the Ti version...pretty good for a outdated POS that cost 2.5 X less than the TI and 4x less than the Quadrifoglio. The Ti is a bargain? Alfa has had a history of unreliability and high cost repair. Typical of Euro garbage...See the consumer reports on how reliable and what a "great bargain" it is... Consumer Reports' 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Basically Lives at Dealer That "bargain" just got more expensive. Cost of fixing a euro car just added to our price tag. Cost of fixing a G8 low ...real low. Not to mention the G8 gets a LS3 V8 which is bullet proof and highly reliable not a direct injected carbon build up maintenance problem like the Alfa Ti engine. I think with the 25k to 58k saved you can make any G8 look as good as the one I posted. Would I buy a G8? No but would I but a G8 over a Ti if I had no other options for 2x less ..YES. ..So for a POS which I agree it is...the G8 makes the Alfa Ti kinda look like a high cost, unreliable, bigger POS.......:icon17: |
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As far as history goes, YOU LEAVE OUT ONE MAJOR FACTOR.... The Giulia has been designed from the ground up.... Now maybe the quad has a brand new engine. But the lower cars have the tiger shark engine which is a reliable motor. Dodge tends to have transmission and electronic issues.... but dodges don't have ZF transmissions... I mean you can blah blah blah all day about unreliable platforms from two decades ago that have NO BEARING on the Giulia all new design. Or you can wait and see if Alfa indeed hit a homerun. Overall though. An Alfa is the equivalent of an affordable Ferrari. There's a lot to be said about it's performance. Even if it ends up being a car you trade once the warranty is up? It still kills EVERYTHING out there by a landslide. And that no one can argue. Consumer Reports has ONE CAR to write about bruh. And it's a first model year. You're not making a case yet. Besides CR calls the Z a nightmare and I've NEVER had ONE problem. NICE TRY... |
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Euro cars are known for being less reliable and the Alfa Romeo in particular. Yes, I have owned multiple Euro cars 2 VWs, 1 Mercedes and a BMW M3 with the S65 engine this is where my hatred began...:icon17:....connecting rod bearing clearance issues results in engines going boom...I would call that a nightmare... check the 146 page thread on it. Official S65 Bearing Specification/Clearance Wiki |
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In 1996, Alfa was a bloated, government-owned car maker concerned with keeping unions happy at the expense of the taxpayer and the customer. Now, it's one of the big hopes of growth for FCA (though it's never going to materialize in numbers that matter). The MiTo and Giulietta, cars we've never seen in N. America, have actually a pretty good rating as far as long term quality goes. In a much different league than the new lineup from Alfa Romeo, no question there. As for the Consumer Reports article, I don't know. I only pick that rag up when I run out of toilet paper. I've never had a use for it, and am surprised any thinking person does. Perhaps just this time because it supported your point? I could understand that. |
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Show me the reports showing that Alfa's are reliable now. The consumer report I found....I suppose you think it is toilet paper because it does not support your opinion...for the same reason that it supported my point is why I used it... Hell, when the Alfa Romeo boss states: our cars are reliable...it kinda supports my point that they are not.... see the article below...:icon17: http://www.motoring.com.au/our-cars-...o-boss-106062/ Look if you like it buy it...your defending it like you own it already...so maybe you should.....Do you have 50k +? Then go for it.... Because with just a couple of options that is where you will be. I can think of a ton of better cars that have more than 280 hp that cost 50k. Hell I would rather the 4c at least it looks crazy sporty and not just like a BMW wanna be... |
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The lower end cars have not been formally reviewed yet so I'm not going to pass judgement on them in terms of performance. But I do know this.... with only 280HP, the Ti is about as fast as its competitors.... so it's doing more with less. And like I said, this car OUTHANDLES all its competitors. As an enthusiAst and not crying bitchin moanin pansy.... I'd drive the Alfa at least till warranty. BMW lost its way 12 years ago. Benz is more muscle than saloon. Audi is muted with all wheel drive... infiniti.... lol. Yeah right? There's 3 saloons that matter.... the jaguar, the Cadillac and the Alfa. Anything else is performance trash. That's my point. Maybe the Alfa will be shyt? Maybe it won't? We won't know the truth till the end of the 2nd model year but... it's at least worth it's weight during warranty. Pricing breakdown via forum http://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/32...cs/8497?page=1 |
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Nissan didn't even make the top 11 this year bruh. But Porsche Audi and BMW did.... https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...ble-car-brands |
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"In this study, Asian and American cars also did better than their European counterparts. In fact, European cars earned just one first-place victory in the 18 categories measured by J.D. Power. By comparison, American cars earned five first-place slots, while Asian cars were first in the remaining 12 different categories. " Hell you guys win....I don't really care enough to keep debating this...If you like it buy it....sell your Z (the greatest car ever built) and live long and prosper...in 3 years come back and tell us if you had any problems or not.. In my case I used to love euro cars until I learned to hate them...I have owned enough euro cars, knew enough people who ended up hating them , and read enough things about euro cars ....to where I hate them. If you turn your own wrench, do your own maintenance and repairs like a true "car enthusiast" and not some pansy who lets the stealership do everything for you...I bet you will hate Euro cars too.... Good luck with your 280 HP Alfa Fiat Ferrari :icon17: |
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And Audi did make it.... along with Porsche. Look again. http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...report-card-on #4. Audi http://www.consumerreports.org/car-r...they-stack-up/ |
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I like Alfa, and I want them to succeed. I'm not married to them or the Giulia (though I do have a 4C - and the service manual for it, so far un-opened). I just think that Giulia is a very nice car, that shouldn't be saddled with the baggage of the past (much of which is made up - the kind of thing that Clarkson & Company like to play up for entertainment value, the same as Harris says Lambos are supercars for people who cannot drive - it sells). There are enough 25 year old Spiders and GTV's still running in the USA and Canada to make me think that the cars are not 100% garbage. For every reported horror story, I can introduce you to a real Alfa owner who has never done more than routine service. But the latter isn't nearly as entertaining to report on. One can say the same about any make, and almost every model. Alfa's brand was in need of a re-boot in 2015. Not so much because of an imagined reliability issue, but rather the fact they produced many years worth of uninspiring machines - hard to spark the passion of Alfisti with something like the MiTo. When you read the real history of the marque, it's the kind of stuff that gives you goosebumps. The Giulia and Stelvio are meant to bring some of that back. Alfa has always been about affordable performance, and I hope that this comes to fruition. Of course, that has to be balanced against profitability - the company no longer has the national purse to back-stop it. It will have to find the sweet spot, but if it does, there is room in the marketplace. The Giulia is not just a horsepower number and a price. It's a complete package, and a darn nice one. Yes, there are lots of other, equally good cars our there. That's great. Not sure which one I'd rather have, but that's personal preference. Your mileage can vary - it's all good. :hello: |
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