The troubled Alfa Romeo Giulia needs serious help [UPDATE]

Whatever is going on? I hope Alfa sorts it out. Some of this I think is sabotage rumor from the Germans. This car is the biggest threat to all saloon cars since the inception of the 3 series M car in 1987.

Shmee150 sold me this car. I'm just going to pass on the year one model to make sure. But this it for me. Sounds like a Ferrari, plays like a Ferrari. The purple color is amazing as is Ferrari red. The rims are amazing, the dash is amazing.... I'm blown away.... the engine looks and sounds beautiful. If I'm going to choose between BMW and Alfa unreliability? I might as well go for the Ferrari engineered unreliability!!! Lol.

Quality of the interior looks very good. I'm sure BMW surpassed the interior.But if you're a true driving enthusiast? Can you look anywhere else for this type of driving experience??? It's really jaguar xe-r, giulia quadrofolio world.

https://youtu.be/9r2krO2mREU

Base car weight: 3029lbs!!!!!

Alfa Romeo Giulia boasts lightweight body and slick styling

Now let's just wait and see what it weighs with the only option we need being the quadrafoligo.

No one cars about a 4 banger or diesel version of this car lol

Sadly the price tag is gonna hit high which will make it much less appealing.

In the U.K. the quadrofoglio will be selling at £60,000
So that's about $86,000. Which will force me to choose between a vette, Q60/Z, an M2

Hopefully because of Alfa's lack of success stateside. Maybe we'll see something closer to $75,000.

For 75k......nope. For 86k even more nope lol

Then again it's competition is an M3 which bases at 63k.

Still for 75k i would buy a slightly used Z06 I think.

There you go. 75k is a fair price... besides I don't think it'll sell being any more expensive than $78k

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thewe...the-new-saloon


Here's the OFFICIAL UK PRICING.

Looks like it will be £1,000 cheaper than estimated. $59,000

The car will start around 31,000 for its base 148hp engine. I think the only engines that would sell here would be the diesel, 276HP v6 coming up later and the 503HP.

There's too many options within 20HP of each other. But the regional Euro market has a unique pickyness about engine power vs efficiency.

You get that great Alfa reliability for free! Now with Chrysler influence, it's even better. Come on guys. Nice car but damn, that's two strikes against it. If the new Fiat reliability numbers in North America are any indication, the Alfa is doomed before its ever released.

This is a 4 door Ferrari, pretty much. Not even the Maserati can perform like this car. It has a nurburgring landslide record.

Ferrari isn't known for reliability. But that's never the topic of discussion when it's brought up. Same with M cars. But because this company is tied to Chrysler. It's doomed. It's also tied to Ferrari, from which they Co engineered this engine. **** reliability. If I'm gonna have reliability issues? I'd rather have it in this than a boring *** M Car.

But anyway. I try to not stigmatize a completely brand new product till its been out 3 years. Even Chrysler's are usually reliable toll you load them up with their so called technology packages which have always been and will be flawed.


http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...y-Sports-Cars/

The 4c and BMW z4 rank close in reliability. So it's not much worse than the high selling bimmer

https://youtu.be/dIt7Jr2B0bI

OMG!!!

https://youtu.be/XT8LrA21vuo

Chris Harris

https://youtu.be/QEMsQ35YYPY
Sexiness!!!

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia is ready for its uphill battle - MarketWatch


Design is flawless. Base specs are respectable. I'm still perplexed by why they would make brake by wire? There's no autonomous feature so what was the purpose of that? But this looks better than all the saloon cars out there. The jaguar XE is a close second. So glad they exist. Was expecting this to outdo bimmer performance but it's exclusive looks give it the automatic heads up.

At 3800lbs, I thought the quadrofoglio would be lighter. But with 510hp I'm sure it's not a big deal. Was hoping 3,600lbs though. 3.8 seconds also not bad.... Wondering if they will one up the quad with a higher powered car?

At least the saloon market is getting better.

4 Door Ferrari Baby!!!
 

https://youtu.be/86mPy0MzrLQ


This car has stylistically destroyed the competition.I typically hate 4 doors. I've always said, why do I need a 4 door when I can just own a hot sports car. I've dreamed of owning Ferrari's all my life. I remember when Alfa was in America in the 80's. I was in love with the milano and the Mercedes 190E amg. They were the only 2 4 doors I loved back then. I was 12 years old. Now it's 30 years later, I got cash and I'm in love with Alfa and Mercedes all over again. This time the edge goes to the Alfa with the Ferrari sourced engine.

https://youtu.be/OwMPIMalu6M

The Alfa stirs emotions in me I can't explain. But it's the same feeling I felt when I bought the Z.
I think right at $80,000 the Alfa is a bargain. But I'm concerned that it will depreciate quickly and I can save $20,000 just waiting a year. Like the Jaguar F type is already cheap with really low miles compared to their $120K MSRP. You can grab a used F type in the $90'sK loaded, With just a few thousand miles.

Either way. This car is amazing and I can't wait to see it in person.

Here's an amateur first impression review of one of the first Quadrofoglio cars in the nation.

https://youtu.be/t-cN5sFfImc

Here's an motor trend first drive...

https://youtu.be/Vpc0FBxh-hc

I'm sorry.... but I couldn't even consider an M3 with this, the jaguar and the C63 out there. Even the caddy, though not so beautiful. Has amazing performance.

This car outsold the 4c

Alfa Romeo Doubles U.S. Sales With New Giulia

Watch Motor Trends Head to Head and the Giulia out preformed the M3, Cadi and Merc!

Motor week Review

https://youtu.be/TO2HHd7Eucw

Well, I would hope it would because a mass produced carbon fiber tube on a four door sedan would triple the price of the car lol The 4c is small production sports car made for a small enthusiast masses for the few who enjoy track days or weekend driving. None the less the Giulia is a sick 4 door I would take then any german or Japanese sports sedan.

To me, there's only 3 sport saloons to look at.

1. Giulia


2. Jaguar XE-R
3. Mercedes c63

Everything else....:yawn:

I would add the Cadillac to the list...not as much luxury as the one's you mentioned but the Giulia is the only one that performs better!

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Sketches Of A Giulia Coupe
 

These unofficial sketches aren't convincing me. I'm hoping they go the 6C route and call it the Giulia coupe. The 6C drawing has the same exact front as the Giulia n looks so much more racecar

Speculative Renderings Shows an Alfa Romeo Giulia Coupe PHEV

Render of the Giulia Coupe.

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Coupe, Wagon Rendered » AutoGuide.com News

Yeah, maybe.
But every design student with a project to do has come up with something on what the next Alfa might look like. None of it has been real, and Alfa doesn't release info on upcoming models. Hell, if you asked them today if they were selling the Giulia, they'd deny it. Seriously - communication is not their strong point. It isn't among their top 100 strong points.

Here's some food for thought. FCA is hurting and Alfa Romeo is one of the sources of the hemorrhage. Every deadline that Marchionne and Wester have put forward for the brand, have been missed by miles. The 2014 plan for Alfa was to have 8 new models and 400,000 units worldwide sales by 2018. Other than the pitiful MiTo and the long-in-the-tooth Giulietta which we don't get here, they have made about 6,000 4C's since inception in 2014. The lights go dim on that car in 2017 or early 2018, by all accounts. By then, a global total of perhaps 7,500 will have been made (fewer than 2,000 a year). We figure that they are taking a loss on every car, and that's all they ever wanted to build. It was basically a halo to announce the return of the marque to N. America and to herald the "global reboot" of Alfa Romeo in 2015.

Giulia has only just gone on sale - even in Europe, they saw their first sales cars very late in 2016. They sold 100 so far in N. America. Obviously, that will ramp up as production allows. But as good as their cars are, Management at Alfa in Italy is truly abysmal. They probably don't have nearly the production capacity to meet demand for this car (much less to expand into BRIC nations where any profitable player needs to be anymore). I'll eat a V-8 if they sell close to 100,000 of these this year. More likely 50K.

Stelvio, the new SUV, was supposed to hit store shelves last fall. it won't likely see sales in 2017.

Dealers have not been informed (even on the QT) of further models. Anything else is just speculation (such as the Giulia Coupe, the Sportwagon, the 6C, a new Dino, or a Montreal). Priorities change, and do do finances. Just look at the ready-for-production Maserati Alfieri. Dealers were taking deposits on that since 2014, and it has totally fallen off the radar.

So, what happened to Marchionne's grand plan? Well, Harald Wester got booted back to the benches, and Reid Bigland has taken over as CEO of Maserati and Alfa Romeo. There are only two new models on showroom floors (with the 4C to fade to black, and the Stelvio to come in around the end of this year). And that 2018 deadline - is now officially 2020.

Grab a ride in a 4C or Giulia while you can. They are spectacular cars. Living, breathing embodiments of 100+ years of racing history and (except for the last 20 years or so) automotive excellence. Reading Alfa lore is the kind of stuff that makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. And the people and technology that came out of the marque are legend in the industry. I truly hope that Alfa Romeo is here to stay, and that it can maintain its current relative independence. Cars like these should never have made it past accounting. But that is the Italian way!

I like this car a lot!

An Italian Firm Has Already Tuned The Giulia Quadrifoglio To 604 HP

Check this OUT!!!

Daaaaaaaamn!!!! not bad :tup:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.roada...-coupe-geneva/

A Lil tidbit in this article states that the Giulia will have a 350HP version called the Veloce. My personal speculation would put it closer to 375-400hp to make it more competitive.

Maybe styling will bring it closer to the Giulia but more affordable. That would be a GREAT option.

LOL - Pogea Racing is a German tuner, not Italian, so I'd take the rest of the article with a grain of salt. But I do know that Eduard Pogea has had his hands on one of the first early-release Giulia's in Europe since about last August. If anyone can tune it, he can.

Here in the USA, Euro-Compulsion has taken delivery of a Giulia as well, and will be supporting the model with a tune and other performance parts.

:iagree:

Mustang Dyno results for Alfa Romeo Giulia and scale weight.

392HP. 389lb ft torque

Well mustang dynos usually show a 22% loss of power which means that Alfa hit their power numbers right on the head. 503HP. So on the dynojet it should read 428HP 425lb tq

3,700lbs
To get the type of performance out this car with about 428rwhp and weigh 3,700lbs. You can smell Ferrari heritage all over this car.

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Gets Dyno'd With Surprising Result

Mustang Dyno. I'd say the test is badly flawed and not worth the bandwidth it takes to download it.

I've not heard of this 22% loss thing - could be but sounds strange to me.

What I do know is that the Alfa 4C is notoriously tricky to dyno other than with a high end tool in a professional shop. If there is any difference at all between the front and rear wheel rotation speeds, or if the intake airflow doesn't match what was expected on the speedo, or if the cooling airflow is insufficient, the ECU simply pulls power. That is true regardless of driving mode (nannies on or off). It was a major problem for a number of tuners to deal with, so this isn't the ramblings of one person. A few blower fans and your neighbourhood tuner shop dyno isn't going to work on these cars.

There is no reason to think that the Giulia is set up any differently.

Personally, I call ******** on the entire test.

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=1875190

Mustang dyno numbers = low? - LS1TECH