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Cbtech · 11-26-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

CB, that's a clean install, I like the hoses, but you might want to flip that thing over so the hoses are on the top, or upgrade your oil pump. I wonder if anyone has mounted one in the preferred orientation.

hmmm...Id like toe see the reasoning behind the top mount versus the bottom. All i can think of is increased oil pressure but I don't think the pump is working that hard to have to worry about it being an issue with the smaller row cooler. I also originally did it this way to be able to drain the cooler at oil changes but at this point im not fuckin with the hoses anymore. I finally have them not leaking because they are on so tight.

ValidusVentus · 11-26-2013, 05:21 PM

lol @ our timing

SuperDave · 11-26-2013, 05:45 PM

It's just a matter of flow. In the poor position the oil cooler drains at rest and the oil has to be pushed through it. In the good position the cooler remains full and is being pushed out of the cooler by the natural flow of oil into it. In the best position, gravity produces the natural flow through the cooler and no additional pushing or pulling needs to be done to compensate for the additional path that the oil has to travel through.

ValidusVentus · 11-26-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

It's just a matter of flow. In the poor position the oil cooler drains at rest and the oil has to be pushed through it. In the good position the cooler remains full and is being pushed out of the cooler by the natural flow of oil into it. In the best position, gravity produces the natural flow through the cooler and no additional pushing or pulling needs to be done to compensate for the additional path that the oil has to travel through.

Hmmm, would that even matter? the oil is being pumped to the same height in the end. Perhaps you would get better flow through it if the outlet was at the top and the inlet at the bottom due to convection in the oil?

Edit: I take convection idea back, after thinking about it a bit more... it doesnt actually make any sense and wouldnt work that way lol

SuperDave · 11-26-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ValidusVentus

On another note found a really good page on oil an oil lubrication/cooling in general late last night: Motor Oil 101 - Bob is the Oil Guy

Edit: Even if you don't read it, one key takeaway: don't get on it if your oil is cold! Not just your water temp (throwing a bunch of cold water on a hot engine block isnt good in the long run either)

Good article, and exactly to the point:

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Originally Posted by Bob the oil Guy

More confusion occurs because people think in terms of the oil thinning when it gets hot. They think this thinning with heat is the problem with motor oil. It would be more correct to think that oil thickens when it cools to room temperature and THIS is the problem. In fact this is the problem. It is said that 90 percent of engine wear occurs at startup. If we are interested in engine longevity then we should concentrate our attention at reducing engine wear at startup.

SuperDave · 11-26-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ValidusVentus

Hmmm, would that even matter? the oil is being pumped to the same height in the end. Perhaps you would get better flow through it if the outlet was at the top and the inlet at the bottom due to convection in the oil?

I think to your point earlier, it's only critical for start up. Once running and the oil system is pressurized, You can turn it any direction you like, its going to flow. But those few crucial seconds during crank and startup to pressure buildup, is where the preference of orientation comes into play. Not saying any one way is wrong, just the preferred method is to let gravity maximize the flow while the pump isn't (during startup).

BuckBarley · 11-26-2013, 06:03 PM

Hello all,
Would you folks mind chiming in on what exhausts you are running? I might want to hear them firsthand at a meet before I move on one. While I like the FI's numbers and popularity, the Gemini is looking good in terms of price and availability. Your input, guys? Thanks.

Cbtech · 11-26-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckBarley

Hello all,
Would you folks mind chiming in on what exhausts you are running? I might want to hear them firsthand at a meet before I move on one. While I like the FI's numbers and popularity, the Gemini is looking good in terms of price and availability. Your input, guys? Thanks.

Welcome to the Sacramento group!

we have having a meet on Sunday December 8th if you wanted to get together to hear the different exhausts that we all have.

BuckBarley · 11-26-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cbtech

Welcome to the Sacramento group!

we have having a meet on Sunday December 8th if you wanted to get together to hear the different exhausts that we all have.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Ah, the good ol' Circus I see. I'll check my schedule and I'll put my name on the list if it's a go.

ValidusVentus · 11-26-2013, 06:36 PM

I think we said the same thing different ways Superdave.

ValidusVentus · 11-26-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckBarley

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Ah, the good ol' Circus I see. I'll check my schedule and I'll put my name on the list if it's a go.

Yep, welcome! Myself, I have the FI non resonated exhaust (look down) with FI resonated high flow cats and the carbon fiber mufflers. I'll be at the meet.

onzedge · 11-26-2013, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckBarley

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Ah, the good ol' Circus I see. I'll check my schedule and I'll put my name on the list if it's a go.

Welcome!!!

Red_Z · 11-26-2013, 06:47 PM

Long time no meet... I can make this one

1. CBtech
2. Tempestz
3. Alex Cote
4. SuperDave
5. 1st
6. Myotorsports
7. ValidusVentus
8. NickShoelace
9. NINJA
10. ZForce
11. Red_z

onzedge · 11-26-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Z

Long time no meet... I can make this one

1. CBtech
2. Tempestz
3. Alex Cote
4. SuperDave
5. 1st
6. Myotorsports
7. ValidusVentus
8. NickShoelace
9. NINJA
10. ZForce
11. Red_z

I am being lazy -- where and when is the meet?

Cbtech · 11-26-2013, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

I am being lazy -- where and when is the meet?

Click the link in my sig

11-26-2013, 05:21 PM	#812 (permalink)
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SuperDave Track Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Manteca, Nor-Cal Posts: 691 Drives: My Z Daily Rep Power: 13	It's just a matter of flow. In the poor position the oil cooler drains at rest and the oil has to be pushed through it. In the good position the cooler remains full and is being pushed out of the cooler by the natural flow of oil into it. In the best position, gravity produces the natural flow through the cooler and no additional pushing or pulling needs to be done to compensate for the additional path that the oil has to travel through. __________________ R2 ZEE 2 Build Journal Upgrade your speakers from BOSE without new wiring, LOC's, or a new head unit.

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Red_Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: California Posts: 332 Drives: A red Z Rep Power: 15	Long time no meet... I can make this one 1. CBtech 2. Tempestz 3. Alex Cote 4. SuperDave 5. 1st 6. Myotorsports 7. ValidusVentus 8. NickShoelace 9. NINJA 10. ZForce 11. Red_z 1st, Cbtech, myotorsports and 1 others like this.

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BuckBarley Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 16 Drives: '11/Base/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 14	Hello all, Would you folks mind chiming in on what exhausts you are running? I might want to hear them firsthand at a meet before I move on one. While I like the FI's numbers and popularity, the Gemini is looking good in terms of price and availability. Your input, guys? Thanks.